Warning To Australians

[calaw78]

WARNING I just got off the phone to Australian Quarantine and they told me that my prosolution pills have an illegal drug in them and they are to be distroyed. BE WARNED!!!!!!!:sm40

[seth_pulse]

I'm an aussie.
I just order one for myself yesterday.
Which delivery method did you use?
I used DHL. Do you think that'll be a problem?
farkk......

[calaw78]

Through Royalmail, I am still waiting for a response from Quarantine apparently 3 other peoples have been stopped aswell. By sounds of it, it looks as though you can get it in small amounts but till I know more I can't help you, Sorry. Quarantine said they would get back to me in the next three days. It has certain pissed me off as I ordered six months worth, NOT cheap. As soon as I know more I will post it.

[Dazzlingdaz3]

Sorry to hear about the dramas with the quarantine guys. Please keep us posted as I am sure that all Aussies on the forum would like to be advised of the outcomes.

Cheers
Daz

[CrunchyB]

I'd like to hear what Lativo has to say about this.

[Abnormalist]

Ah shit, I also just ordered a 6 month supply and I'm from Melbourne... ffs.

I've sent an email to those guys at Lativo, I hope they get my message, I'd just found out just then by reading this forum topic today... and I ordered 3 bloody days ago..

[Abnormalist]

www.customs.gov.au

Drugs and narcotics (restricted import)

Description:


Drugs being chemicals and compounds as listed in Schedule 4 of the Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations. This includes
isomers or mixture of isomers of a controlled chemicals or compounds;
a derivative of a controlled chemical or compound, including isomers and mixtures of isomers;
substances or things that contain controlled chemical/s or compound/s, including isomers and mixtures of isomers, and derivatives; or
other chemicals and compounds that are an immediate precursor to a controlled chemical or compound.
Exemption

Passengers arriving on board a ship or aircraft do not need a permit if:
the drug is required for their own medical treatment or the treatment of another passenger or animal under their care; AND
has been prescribed by a medical practitioner or veterinarian and the original prescription is presented upon arrival; AND
the amount of drug/s does not exceed three (3) months supply at the maximum prescribed dosage.

If the prescription is not in English, then a version translated into English must also be presented. The exemption only applies to drugs carried in the passenger's accompanied baggage.

Passengers aged 18 years or more do not need a permit to import kava if:
the kava is in either root or dried form;
the amount of kava does not exceed 2 kilograms; and
the kava is carried in the passenger's accompanied baggage.

These exemptions apply only to passengers. Any amount of controlled drugs imported by other means such as post or air cargo require a permit.


Permits issued by:


Minister for Health and Ageing


More information:


More information about substances controlled under Customs legislation and licensing and permit requirements is available from the Therapeutic Goods Administration website.


Address:


Requests to import these goods should be addressed to:

Therapeutic Goods Administration
GPO Box 100
WODEN ACT 2606
Telephone: 1800 020 653
E-mail: tga-information-officer@health.gov.au

[Abnormalist]

I just got off the phone with the Therapeutic Goods Administration and from what they told me, the specific ingredient that is prohibited from the Australian Customs Importation List is Cordyceps, the production of testosterone.

The only way around it is call up the 1800 number as listed previously and ask for a special importation license, the application form I should be receiving via email soon, will have the necessary paperwork to be filled in by your local GP, once that is done, the paperwork takes 2 to 3 weeks to process and validated by the coordinating official. If he or she validates the application form, that will go towards customs.

However I'm unsure whether or not that affects the 3 month supply restriction only policy...

[calaw78]

You are only allowed three months at a time. I am still waiting to hear from Lativio, getting the run around. I just got off the phone to DHL and they are giving me three months supply but the others are to be distroyed or $45 per day storage or returned at my expence. I have email Lativio and told them to make this known on their website before anyone else purchases bulk amounts.

[Abnormalist]

Could you get away with a medical condition with a special importation license for 6months?

Actually I'll email TGA in the next couple of minutes and find out.

[Big Al]

It seems to me that any "controversial" substance in Lativio's products wouldn't be in large enough amounts to merit banning. Some countries have very strict laws, so don't quote me on that!

I'll bring this issue up to Lativio. You should be seeing a response shortly.

[calaw78]

Thank you it needs to be dealt with ASAP as I said in my last response. As said before it is the Cordyceps which is the problem. You can order in three bottles at the most at a time. This needs to be made officailly know to all Australians as I am not the only one that has been caught out.

[Abnormalist]

A representative from TGA stated the following:

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your email regarding the importation of your medicine under Special Access Scheme (SAS) Category B. I am the Information Officer from the Drug Safety and Evaluation Branch of the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA). The Drug Safety and Evaluation Branch is responsible for prescription medicines. In response to your enquiry, I offer you the following information.

Your doctor will be able to specify the amount of medicine that you will be allowed to import, depending on the dosage and duration of treatment on the SAS Category B and this is the amount which may receive approval from TGA. Therefore, the number of months supply you are allowed to import, is solely dependent on the SAS approval granted.


I trust this information is of assistance to you.

[Daz MN Support]

Hi,

Firstly thank you for bringing this to our attention otherwise we can not try to solve these problems. There is not an illegal drug in PSP! We are working on getting a permit so we can allow more than 3 months supply into the country. I will keep you informed :)

[Daz MN Support]

You can ring our office also :)

[Abnormalist]

I went to see my local GP about the application form, he was absolutely against it and kept stating that it was a scam. I've had the same GP for the last 15 years.

He suggests I should see a urologist about this sort of thing, I'm not sure.

Its been 5 days since I ordered the 6 month supply, there are two possibilities running through my mind, firstly in another 3 weeks or less that the standard post takes to send it over; it will either be confiscated and destroyed by customs and the TGA or secondly, I'll end up getting only 3 months supply and losing 50% of the money I paid for the overal product.

I'm not entirely sure what else I can do? I spent a great deal of time collecting information and PE off the website just supposedly in time of this awaited expectation.

[seth_pulse]

I am wondering if you could ask them to destroy only the
pills inside the bottle and keep the bottle and send it to you?
cos if you can hav the bottle, then you can send lativo the
empty bottle and claim for refund after 3 months.
I know that's a bit sneaky but that's the only solution that
came up to mind at the moment.
Well, that also means you can't buy anymore either cos
by refunding you're claiming that the pills are not effective.
Anyway, that's just an idea. Good luck to all Aussie... I was lucky
that i only ordered 3 months supply and i should be getting it
tomorrow.

Melb bloke

[Daz MN Support]

Ring us and we can sort out a solution to this problem :) Working with the authorities at the moment.

Darren

[Big Al]

I went to see my local GP about the application form, he was absolutely against it and kept stating that it was a scam. I've had the same GP for the last 15 years.

He suggests I should see a urologist about this sort of thing, I'm not sure.

Its been 5 days since I ordered the 6 month supply, there are two possibilities running through my mind, firstly in another 3 weeks or less that the standard post takes to send it over; it will either be confiscated and destroyed by customs and the TGA or secondly, I'll end up getting only 3 months supply and losing 50% of the money I paid for the overal product.

I'm not entirely sure what else I can do? I spent a great deal of time collecting information and PE off the website just supposedly in time of this awaited expectation.

What was it about the product did your GP consider a "scam"?

[Abnormalist]

My local GP was making a remark that there is no magical pill or exercise to enlarge your penis, just stating that people are just making money by selling a scam that promises something but in reality it doesn't. He made a cynical remark that he gets emails regarding penis enlargements all the time.

He told me that I should try Viagra, I told him that he must be joking. I'm a guy in my late 20s and expecting to use that... absolutely no bloody way.

I just want to try this product along with the recommended PE and avoid this stupid bullshit with the Australian Customs and Quarantine and b.s. from the Doctors. I made a committment that I wanted to try something other than surgery or stupid implants that don't seem to live up to their expectations except costing thousands upon thousands of dollars.

I was somewhat recently diagnosed with a medical condition that causes deficiencies in male hormones, basically the production of testosterone itself. Seeing how this product has an active ingredient that does the same thing as the medication that I take on a daily basis to supplement my condition.

Like most of us who aren't blessed with a moderately functional piece of equipment, a condition that I've been diagnosed with that commenced since birth took 3 damn decades to figure out that I had it by stupid medical doctors. I am just bloody annoyed with these set backs and absolute b.s.

I went to Lativo's site to enquire about a refund, they recommended in trying the product for 90 days first. However, since I ordered 180 days knowing the fact that 3 months of it will be destroyed, I'll end up losing half of AUD$368.46 and not even sure how calling Lativo will sort this mess out. I highly doubt that Customs will return the empty bottles to initiate the refund process.

Thanks for the ongoing feedback.

[Abnormalist]

Yeap, just did the only simple task; I called up Lativo a few moments ago raising my personal concerns about Australia's custom problems. I guess the only best option is to wait for the 6 month supply order to arrive, get the annoying phone call from customs or other alternative methods tell the usual tale about 3 months to be destroyed and call back Lativo regarding the issue so that another 3 months will be shipped over...

However, I'm not sure whether that is after 3 months I've used the initial product, just to get the next 3 months... I guess that's what I'm assuming.

I feel somewhat relieved from this. Thanks for the support.

[Big Al]

My local GP was making a remark that there is no magical pill or exercise to enlarge your penis, just stating that people are just making money by selling a scam that promises something but in reality it doesn't. He made a cynical remark that he gets emails regarding penis enlargements all the time.

He told me that I should try Viagra, I told him that he must be joking. I'm a guy in my late 20s and expecting to use that... absolutely no bloody way.

I just want to try this product along with the recommended PE and avoid this stupid bullshit with the Australian Customs and Quarantine and b.s. from the Doctors. I made a committment that I wanted to try something other than surgery or stupid implants that don't seem to live up to their expectations except costing thousands upon thousands of dollars.

I was somewhat recently diagnosed with a medical condition that causes deficiencies in male hormones, basically the production of testosterone itself. Seeing how this product has an active ingredient that does the same thing as the medication that I take on a daily basis to supplement my condition.

Like most of us who aren't blessed with a moderately functional piece of equipment, a condition that I've been diagnosed with that commenced since birth took 3 damn decades to figure out that I had it by stupid medical doctors. I am just bloody annoyed with these set backs and absolute b.s.

I went to Lativo's site to enquire about a refund, they recommended in trying the product for 90 days first. However, since I ordered 180 days knowing the fact that 3 months of it will be destroyed, I'll end up losing half of AUD$368.46 and not even sure how calling Lativo will sort this mess out. I highly doubt that Customs will return the empty bottles to initiate the refund process.

Thanks for the ongoing feedback.

There's nothing "magical" about PE. Exercises force your penis to grow by expanding ligaments and fascia- something that most people with a background in kinesiology know. Not all docs have a background in kinesiology :)

Pills are a supplement, and you need to use them with exercises in order to see results.

I'm not surprised that your GP would recommend drugs as a solution to your problem. The medical and drug cartel work together to make those involved lots of $$$, and to make patients dependent on their services.

[Daz MN Support]

We are still working on this issue but for those who ordered more than 3 months and only got 3 months we will make sure you get the entire purchase somehow, do not worry :)

Darren

[pexercise]

Hi, can someone please clarify?
Is the reason for blockage of importation based on quantity or ingredients? Will the 2 bottles of PSP that is supplied with the SizeGenetic System be blocked?
thanks

[calaw78]

Your two bottles are fine, it is quantity. 3 Bottles is maximum allowed per shipment.

[xman]

I'm not surprised that your GP would recommend drugs as a solution to your problem. The medical and drug cartel work together to make those involved lots of $$$, and to make patients dependent on their services.

Yeah i totally agree with this.

A few doctors i have seen i have asked test questions about certain pills,supplements and enlargement methods and they have told me it was a scam.

But at the time i knowing myself that they actually worked.

So basically its true that GP's want you to be dependent on them.

I was actually prescribed viagra once and the side effects were awful.

I would much rather a herbal natural supplement like volumepills over viagra any day and the results are much more satisifying with no side effects.

My 2 cents.

[Abnormalist]

Well guys, good news apparently. I received a DHL card somewhat a few feet from my letter box... anyways, I had to drive to the dispatch at the airport to pick it up. Just got a bill for a quarantine processing fee of A$47.30, damn the GST.. 30 cents.. oh well.

Anyway, I picked up the package, I had a fairly good idea as to what it was, just a little worried that it didn't contain anything much.

I openned the package and 6 bottles of pro solution plus; plus a box of volume pills. I'm sure I'll be starting on this soon. I started taking two capsules in the last two days, as the bottle suggests 1 per day with meal, but I used it for... well.. just to try it out with my fiance. Yes it definitely does make a difference...

I thought this came with some dvds and some other bits and pieces as part of the bonus pack? Just have to go and pay the DHL fee some how... no instructions on how though.

There are two footnotes on the invoice which I"ll disclose now:

Special Notice
In the interest of faster service, DHL has paid the Government charges to Australian Customs on your bhealf. Pls note DHL shipment charges are calculated according to the higher of actual or volumetric weight, any shipment may be re-weighed and re-measured by DHL to confirm calculation.

Notice of Obligation
Under Section 240 of the Customs Act 1901 (Commonwealth Act), Importers must keep the enclosed documents for Australian Customs service verification for a period of up to 5 years. Failure to comply with Section 240 and other provisions of the Customs Act may result in Financial penalty...

Knowing me, I'll probably misplace this somewhere in the near future... lol

So, my order went through after all, a little some what surprised as it came fairly quickly as I ticked the Royal Mail option... hmm; must be part of the bonus pack.

[Daz MN Support]

It is not just that ingredient was the latest reponse:

"Good Morning Darren,

Even without the cordyceps, this product would still require a permit to import if imported commercially or for more than three months supply for personal use, as stated in the import conditions for this type of product. This is due to some of the other ingredients, such as safflower, mushroom etc. or any other plant or animal based ingredients.

Karl"

[Abnormalist]

According to what I've previously posted regarding the TGA and Customs in relation to the federal legislation dictating the importation of such goods, 3 month supply is the only amount permittable, however if the individual obtains a SAS form from TGA and has it signed by a medical professional dictating medical use purpose only then that individual can acquire a special permit allowing more than 3 months supply based on the recommendation by the GP or Specialist.

As I have attempted to go through legal channels and abide to the laws and avenues to acquire this drug without the complications. Obviously, it went without a hitch, I haven't received any word from Customs or Quarantine regarding the shipment.

On my DHL invoice regarding the quarantine fee, there are two additional pages attached to the document. There are several stamps on the second page, "Inspection Required", then another stamp "May be released" dated 10/03/06, signed by an offical from the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry (Australian Quarantine & Inspection Service). The third page, shows the commercial invoice of the product which is identified as Vitamins Other.

[xman]

I openned the package and 6 bottles of pro solution plus; plus a box of volume pills. Just got a bill for a quarantine processing fee of A$47.30,

Your lucky getting that many... I only ended up getting 3 and one was confiscated.. altho my quarantine fee was alot cheaper $10.00aus....

Maybe they do things different here in W.A

Anywayz im sure all this saga will be sorted soon by the helpful people at lativio. :D

[Abnormalist]

Was your shipment through Australia Post (Royal Mail) or DHL?

I don't think either would make any difference. The Australian Customs is federal, so it goes through all states regardless, as its based on the commonwealth act. I think its just pure chance that it got through properly. Generally W.A. should be a little somewhat less bureaucratic than the other states such as Victoria and New South Wales. I know that Northern Territory is generally more strict than the other states also. But its only dependent on the people working and inspecting the importation of goods.

The 47.30 that I was charged with, was on a per day basis, I still don't know how to pay it, probably have to whip out the bloody credit card again. Normally any bill you can go through bpay or the post office... but there's nothing on it.. I'll probably wait for a second bill and ring DHL later. I didnt' imagine the bottles to be so small, oh well; I just hope the next time when I order the stuff, it actually goes through a lot smoother.

[xman]

Was your shipment through Australia Post (Royal Mail) or DHL?

Dhl.

Im sure the persons inspecting my goods were not going to budge anymore.......otherwise i would have got all my bottles.
Who knows with these guys they can change and say what they want its the government your dealing with here.

It just surprises me they tell all these people things and then all the sudden someone manages to get 6 bottles past them :confused:

[xman]

Quantity ???

I mean really them stopping a couple of bottles of PSP is rather petty i think fair enuf if it was like 20 bottles or sumtin like that

And then making you pay for quarantine ???

You would think the government make enuf money as it is

The government will always try and get extra $$$ out of you if they can

[Abnormalist]

I don't think 20 bottles of the stuff will get through at all, otherwise red flags will fly, unless you have a SAS importing license than they wouldn't care, because it would be for medical reasons that they can not act to confiscate.

Well technically its not the government, the government passes the bill for the suggested legislation, as such as the act itself, a fairly old one in that case. And customs act upon legislation to make sure things are within procedural guildelines. Just to cover their backsides, however employees of customs, that would probably be a different story in relation to whether corruption exists or not. Only a governing body such as an ombudsman or the ethical standards department which I don't think they qualify for federal jurisdiction; unsure about that one there.

I'm fairly well versed in criminal law, so in most likelihood, only a complainant will do their bid to justify this sort of thing as unfair, which leads to more paperwork, bureaucracy at its worst and lengthy investigations which probably won't lead very far.

I think the government is already making enough from the GST kickbacks, bloody Peter Costello deserves to die for implementing that b.s. gst back in 2000. 10% tax on all goods and services, what a load of crap; most goods cost at least almost double what they were 6 years ago...

[xman]

Yeah understand and agree.

Government, quarantine , customs whatever corrupt bastards......

[insidescoop]

God - we have %$#@$#% terrorists tearing up the planet and Aussies can't even get some pills to enhance their sex life. Unbelievable. Oh well....

[Abnormalist]

Ha, a joke..., yeah I its painful.

Not to mention the 2006 Commonwealth games at my current home city, and part of the royal family here... Who knows, terrorists could be here too... lol, anything is possible. However, last I've heard, they had to recruit an extra 600 to 800 police personel from state and federal jurisdictions just to handle this event... lol

[Daz MN Support]

We are limiting the amount Austrlian customers can order to 3 bottles, the customs said there is nothing else we can do.

[Dazzlingdaz3]

We are limiting the amount Austrlian customers can order to 3 bottles, the customs said there is nothing else we can do.

Thanks for the update Daz ;)

Cheers
Dazz

[undefi_7Sm63]

Just got my 3 bottles of psp. Got a quarantine fee invoice from DHL for $47.30 day after.

Hey Abnormalist, have you pay for it yet? How?

[Daz MN Support]

Just got my 3 bottles of psp. Got a quarantine fee invoice from DHL for $47.30 day after.

Hey Abnormalist, have you pay for it yet? How?

Any custom/quarantine fees we can not be responsible for... that is Australian dollars though.

[penisman]

Has this been fixed?
Can us australia blokes order more or do we have to order a month at a time still?

Merged with relevant thread, please try to assist us keep the forum clutter free by posting Qs in relevant threads wherever possible ;)

[Daz MN Support]

You can order up to 3 bottles with no problems :)