Megathread - Testosterone

[BigGuy18]

a while ago i was looking for info on lifting techiniques that would help me gain some muscle and i stumbled onto this site. i bought it and it has helped me a lot. i gained 10 pounds in 5 weeks and an inch on each arm and about two inches around my chest so it does work and not just a load of crap. check it out..... www.musclenow.com

[falcon]

Wow! Looks like an advertisement to me! What's ya selling buddy?
Hard work and dedication rule the day when you build the body.
I know this. Time and Training gets you where you want to go. There is no quick solution to getting in shape. It takes time, dedication and variety.
I'm not talking weeks or months. I'm talking years of work to get your body the way you want it.
After that, you can just play with it. Change workouts, how you workout. Try lifting, karate, yoga, running, or working around the house. Once you get the hang of it your body will demand you go back to your old workouts or make you do something different to either enhance or maintain what you have.

Take Your Advertisement and Shove it up Your BUTT!

Stay Hard, Stay Lean, Stay Dedicated!!!!!!

[Unregistered]

Hey BigGuy18. If you are real, I apologize for coming across hard.
If you're not, then you can shove it even deeper!!!!!
Here is some advice. Get Educated, Get your body in shape, maintain it and Get a Big Cock!
The rewards will come.
This site is dedicated to those that want a bigger dick.
Like every thing in life, you need to train for what you want to do.
Is getting a bigger cock one of the things you want? That's what I want.
It's your decision.
It won't come easy.....

Stay Strong, Stay Hard, Stay Big!!!!

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by falcon
Hey BigGuy18. If you are real, I apologize for coming across hard.
If you're not, then you can shove it even deeper!!!!!
Here is some advice. Get Educated, Get your body in shape, maintain it and Get a Big Cock!
The rewards will come.
This site is dedicated to those that want a bigger dick.
Like every thing in life, you need to train for what you want to do.
Is getting a bigger cock one of the things you want? That's what I want.
It's your decision.
It won't come easy.....

Stay Strong, Stay Hard, Stay Big!!!!

[falcon]

Ok

[BigGuy18]

WHOA! i was just trying to help you guys out. the course is working for me (through MY hard work- i go to the gym five days a week) and i thought it could be helpful for you guys. didn't mean it as an advertisement (oops-my mistake). i'm following this course and doin PE and i think it has helped-the diet described in the book helps you balance your hormone levels (reduce the amt of insulin and thus help increase testosterone) which is always a good thing for PE. then again the course isn't a magic pill that will transform you either. just trying to share whats worked for me, like everybody else here. take it easy.

[Unregistered]

meant growth hormone not testosterone

[roberto]

I don't fully underestand if testosterone is good for PC or if is bad, because I suppouse when you do some exercises that required erect penis, the brain shoud be producing it ???

[ebon00]

The brain won't be producing anything hormonal other than in a very roundabout way. In very simplistic terms, if you produce more testosterone you'll have more of a sex drive (up to a point) and you'll be getting better-quality erections which will benefit PE. Whether testosterone as such helps with the size increases due to it's tissue altering effects I can't say, there're no real studies to show either way.

[YAMAHA1]

ROBERTO--

LET ME BREAK IT DOWN TO YOU THIS WAY.


I BOUGHT SOME TESTOSTERONE CREAM (15%)

& USED IT A FEW TIMES ON MY PENIS AFTER A PE SESSION.

HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED.

AFTER THE FIRST USE, I THOUGHT THE STUFF WAS MAGIC--WORKED GREAT.

AFTER THE 2ND & 3RD USE SOMETHING WASNT RIGHT.
I NOTICED THAT MY FLACID PENIS WAS NOT AS LARGE A NORMAL. & IT WAS HARD GETTING ERECTIONS.

I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS I GOT SOME T-CREAM ON MY SCROTUM, & IT SHUT DOWN MY NATURAL TESTOSTERONE.

I BELIEVE IT HAS SET ME BACK QUITE A BIT.
ITS BEEN 1 WEEK EXACTLY SINCE I NOTICED THESE ADVERSE CHANGES.

ASIDE FROM EXTREEM MOODINESS/ANGER/DEPRESSION, I HAVE NO SEX DRIVE.

ITS SLOWLY COMMIN AROUND. I HAVE A DOC. APPT. TOMORROW TO GET MY TESTOSERONE CHECKED.

ANYWAY, IT WAS A BAD CHOICE. I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT.

[ebon00]

Please refrain from using all capitals. It's just like you're screaming.

[Unregistered]

15% T? I never saw anything that high before. Androgel is 1%. Man, did you get it in Mexico or something?

[YAMAHA1]

yeah thats the same thing my doctor said.

"damn that is real high"

big mistake on my part.
big mistake.


everything is starting to come back to normal.

[K_9]

I am 17 right now and i was wondering if it would be safe for me to take 250-500 mg of tribbulus terrestis a day ( a natural testosterone enhancer)

I was also wondering if testosterone and growth hormones actually help gains ... or if they will make me infertile or something..

[tom]

good ? and to add TO that, with the testosterone level increased, would that produce faster gains?

[Optimistic]

Here's a link with more info... hope it helps!!!!

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/pro-hormones/tribulus-terrestris-facts.htm

[Shafty]

K_9,
I'm an aspiring young bodybuilder, and I've experimented with tribulus among other testosterone enhancers. The fact being that it is a natural supplement which CANNOT boost your test levels above your natural testosterone output ensures that it also won't cause any unwanted side-effects such as what you'd get with prohormones and steroids. Meaning that the amount of testosterone you have in your blood varies depending on the time of day (peaks in the morning and gradually diminishes towards the evening) among other factors, and taking tribulus keeps your T-levels at their highest natural maximum all day.

Oh, and tribulus works by stimulating your body's lutenizing hormones (LH),which doesn't directly boost your T-levels (unlike steroids), but rather signals your body to produce more test. Unfortunately the same hormones (LH) also make your estrogen levels rise somewhat, although I've never noticed any negative side-effects that stem from increased estro, such as bloating. I heard that one guy got gynecomastia (breast tissue growth in men) from tribulus, although that prolly was a one-in-a-million occurence.

So I'd definitely recommend tribulus as a PE supplement. I had a helluvalotta more erections and was feeling generally all masculine and manly while taking tribulus (some of that may have been placebo effect, but hell, it worked!), and that must help with PE gains.

And by the way, no matter what they say the proper dose is, you should take close to 5 GRAMS a day to see any effects.
You can't really OD on the stuff, it's that safe to use.

Oh yeah, and look for tribulus with at least 40% furastanol steroidal saponis (check the lable), which is the key ingredient that makes the stuff potent. Any less than that would likely produce only minimal results. I'd recommend Optimum Nutrition's tribulus. It's good stuff- and cheap,too. Only 5 bucks a bottle.

Hope this helps! ;)

[K_9]

thanks for the reply it was very informative... the kind im looking at is about 40% i was planning to take it like 30 mins prior to work out which i do around 3-4 o'clock.

[Shafty]

You know what would work best?
If you took it at evenly spaced intervals, say, during breakfast, lunch and dinner. They recommend you do that (down the tabs combined w/ food), prolly to eliminate any possible stomach irritation, but if you don't suffer from that then I suppose it doesn't make a difference. But it would be more effective if you got evenly sized doses of the stuff every now and then instead of one big load, some of which might go to waste (there's only so much that your body can process at one time), and taking 5 grams at once isn't necessarily all that wise even though the stuff is safe.

But hey, if you feel like one big load before your workout is all that you need, then why not. It's really almost impossible to fuck up when using risk free supplements such as tribulus, so go ahead and experiment.

[K_9]

cool thanks for the info

[Shafty]

no problem bro! :cool:

[GrimmReefer]

I'm checkin out the tribulus terrestris and would like another point of view about why there are two advertised brands on the same site and the one that claims to be of utmost quality and more per pill is only 12 bucks, while the other brand has less per pill, 10 less pills per bottle, and is $35. I noticed they threw in some crap about harvesting the freshest and most potent parts of the plant..blahblahblah. Need help with a choice, I hate being ripped.

[Shafty]

Do you mean that the more expensive brand advertised about having the freshest parts and so on?
That sounds like complete bullshit to me! A very poorly disguised exuse to up the price. After all, tribulus is tribulus is tribulus, and as long as it contains at least 40% furastanol steroidal saponis per pill then it's good stuff. I doubt that the actual quality of the product would vary in other ways, at least not to a great extent.

What brands were you looking at BTW?

[GrimmReefer]

I was comparing Biotest Tribex 500 and Optimum Tribulus Terrestris, and the Sports One brand. They all have different amounts and serving sizes. Who in the supplement world knows what the hell they are talkign about. Im obviously gonna have to do some independent research, but not now, I have to sleep sometime.

[GrimmReefer]

Shafty, I missed your recommendation earlier in this thread. It appears that you recommend the very brand that I have been eye-fucking all morning.

[Auron]

did you guys lose any body fat while on tribulus or did you get more of a ripped look?

[Shafty]

GrimmReefer,
How much do they charge per bottle? The prices seem to vary a lot. One site charged over 12 bucks a bottle,and I only paid 5$ per bottle, but I can't remember the exact site I ordered from because it was months ago.

And Auron, I doubt that tribulus in itself would provide any thermogenic effects (fat loss due to elevated body temperature,which occurs when taking actual fat burners such as ephedra), but it might help you lose less lean tissue while dieting, resulting in a more lean, ripped look.

[GrimmReefer]

I just purchased the Optimum brand from expertfitness.com and after shipping it cost me $16.45. 11.50 a bottle. Wish I had found out about it sooner so I could buy it when it was cheaper.

[mr_canjar]

tribestan i read was a better form

[mowinman]

BOSTON (Ivanhoe Newswire) -- There's a new treatment on the horizon for men who suffer from depression. A new study shows a testosterone gel may help relieve depression in men with low testosterone levels.

It is believed by some doctors that testosterone supplementation may produce antidepressant effects in men. Until recently, this therapy has not been studied. Harvard Medical School researchers conducted a study to determine if a testosterone gel has any effect on depressed men with low testosterone levels.

The study started with 56 men who were diagnosed with depression. The men's testosterone levels were tested. Researchers say 24 of the men had borderline low testosterone levels. A normal range of testosterone in men is 270 to 1,070. The men included in this study had a level of 350 or less,

The men with low testosterone levels were randomly assigned to receive either testosterone gel or a placebo for eight weeks. Nineteen of the men completed the study. Researchers found the men on the testosterone gel showed more improvements in their depression than the men on the placebo. Only one of the men reported an adverse effect to the gel. No other side effects or problems were reported.

Researchers conclude the findings of their study suggest that testosterone gel may produce antidepressant effects in depressed men with low testosterone levels. Researchers add, in a given year, about 8 percent of American men over the age of 30 are diagnosed with depression. Many of these men may also have low testosterone levels. Researchers say that means hundreds of thousands of men could be candidates for testosterone supplementation to treat depression.



This thread has been placed in the appropriate forum it belongs in ;)

[falcon]

Very interesting. I've been reading about testosterone levels, its effects in men and wondering where my levels are. I just put it in my calendar to call my doctor to see what a test will cost. Last year I went through a complete (and I mean complete) physical but they didn't test my testosterone levels. I guess you have to specifically ask for it.
Mowinman, correct me if I’m wrong but a higher testosterone level is better for PE, sex, aggressiveness and just in general right? If that is true, what level is too high?
Last, what is the safest way to increase testosterone levels? I workout consistently and diet reasonably well.

[Shafty]

I've heard a lot about this, too. It has also been suggested that long term depression may in fact lower testosterone levels, and vice versa.

Testosterone is, after all, the hormone which is primarily responsible for the feeling of ''being a man's man'', which in turn contributes to male self-confidence and mood. Lack thereof might make a man feel inadequate and emasculated, which could lead to depression.

I've done a couple of short prohormone cycles, and my mood, energy and confidence were noticeably elevated. Then, upon finishing the cycle, my T-levels dropped for a while, which resulted in a generally sluggish, gloomy and uninspired mood, which started to go fade away once my natural testosterone production kicked back into action again.

-EDIT-

Healthy young men usually have high enough T-levels to sustain the vigor and energy of youth, and it has actually been proven that the male testosterone output only starts to decline once you reach your early 30's. It peaks during your late 20's instead of your late teens, which seems to be a common misconception.

[Shafty]

Oh yeah,Falcon, about increasing your test levels...

You pretty much got everything covered: you lift weights, eat healthy and lead a healthy life in general, so in that sense you are already doing your best to keep your T-levels at their natural peak. Avoiding excessive use of alcohol is also important, since it lowers testosterone and increases estrogen in men, and vice versa in women. Thats why long time alcoholics often develop bitch tits, even if they aren't otherwise that obese! :D

At least one supplement comes to mind that has been proven to increase testosterone production, in both male and female test subjects. Tribulus terrestris. There are quite a few threads here about it, so check em out if you're interested!
I can personally vouch for the stuff, I've had good results using it.
Depending on which manufacturer you purchase it from it won't necessarily even cost you that much.

Another option is, of course, hormonal replacement therapy. From what I understand it is quite easy to get a prescription for Androgel or something similar in the US. All you gotta do is go whine to your doctor about having troubles maintaining an erection, feeling sluggish and noticing an increased accumulation of bodyfat around your midsection, and he is guaranteed to hook you up! ;)
I'm pretty certain that you don't even need to get your hormonal levels tested to be able to get a prescription once you've reached a certain age.

And these are the things that make America Great!! :cool:
In Finland you practically have to show up at the doctors office with your balls missing if you want to get a prescription... and even then, they administer it very conservatively. Even to those men who really would need it.

[falcon]

Thanks Shafty, looks like I have a new mission. Just the same I'm going to call my doctor Monday to schedule a test. This is mostly from curiosity on my part.

[Shafty]

No problem, buddy! :)
Checking your T-levels is a good idea actually. I've also been curious to find out mine... although to get it measured is a rather costly procedure here.

[mowinman]

falcon, as I recall the range for what is considered normal is 270 - 1020. Quite a wide range if you ask me. The study I read, the subjects were on steroid suppliment at 350 and lower. All had good responses to the treatement. My interest comes from having had a vasectomy years ago. Not only do those that had one have lower testosterone levels but also are at higher risk for prostate cancer. The studies are still being done at this time. If I had the reversal surgery in 1995 but it failed. Hopefully I just stopped sperm production and am able to produce the testosterone through the testes. I will probably have my level checked too just to know where it is at.

[falcon]

Thanks Mowinman

[Shafty]

BTW Mowinman, why does it say ''Contributing Member'' below your username? Have you made a donation, or...?

[mowinman]

No, I have just contributed a fair amout of information and help a lot of people around here. I think the title fits...........LOL :D

[mowinman]

Levels of Healthy Adults

This article, co-authored by a team of five researchers headed by Ananda S. Prasad, M.D., Ph.D., has enormous implications for all bodybuilders, especially those who are "natural." It was originally published in the peer-reviewed medical journal Nutrition, Volume 12, No.5, 1996, pp. 344-348.

Dr. Prasad is considered to be the world expert on the trace mineral zinc and its metabolic effects on human beings. He has somewhere between 200 and 300 peer-reviewed publications to his credit and knows very well how to design a research project. He notes at the beginning of the research report's abstract that "Zinc deficiency is prevalent throughout the world, including the USA."

In this article, Dr. Prasad discusses an investigatioin of the effect of "mild zinc deficiency" on the serum testosterone levels of men.

BACKGROUND:
Testosterone, as the reader may know, is the male sex hormone that many steroids are formulated to mimic. It is produced naturally in men and signals the body to develop male characteristics, including increased muscle mass.

Certain background information here is very important. At BALCO Laboratories, Inc., of Burlingame, California, where the trace mineral levels of more than 200,000 people, including thousands of athletes, have been measured, a test called multi-element analysis has shown that approximately 70% of all athletes tested have been shown to have either a depletion (which is what Prasad calls a "mild deficiency") or an outright deficiency. In either case, in one or more ways health and performance may be impaired. In the case of a deficiency, the individual will have one or more overt symptoms identifiable by any knowledgable physician.

Let us emphasize this point more strongly. Over 70% of the serious athletes BALCO has tested have proven depleted or deficient in zinc. This includes entire professional football and basketball teams, many amateur and professional bodybuilders, hundreds of Olympic athletes scattered among many different events, karate champions, and even elite tennis players.

By and large, these athletes are people who pay careful attention to their diet, yet the majority are still they are depleted or deficient in zinc.

According to a conversation we have had with Dr. Prasad, bodybuilders are prone to zinc depletion or deficiency for a number of reasons. First, one of the best sources of zinc is red meat. Many bodybuilders eat a reduced amount of meat, concentrating instead on chicken and fish as their main protein sources.

Second, bodybuilders lose more zinc than do non-exercisers. Zinc exits the body in a number of ways, including through sweat. On an exercise day, an athlete will lose 50% more zinc through sweat than on a non-exercise day.

Third, bodybuilders require significantly more zinc than do non-exercisers.

In fact, because bodybuilding involves the infliction of a great deal of micro-damage to cells and tissues that must be repaired, and because the muscle are stimulated through exercise to grow, the director of BALCO Labs estimates that bodybuilders may require up to twice as much zinc as do non-exercisers.

This means that if you are a bodybuilder, you are very likely to have either a zinc depletion or deficiency. And if you are using steroids, which depress the body's zinc, magnesium and copper levels, you are even more likely to be zinc deficient.

PRASAD'S METHODS AND FINDINGS:

Dr. Prasad's study involved several different populations.

The most important for bodybuilders is the group of four normal adult men approximately 27 years old. He measured their serum testosterone levels, then fed them a diet low in zinc for six months, thus inducing a "mild zinc deficiency" in them. As they progressed through the diet, he measured their serum testosterone levels two more times, once after eight weeks and once again after 20 weeks. As these men became progressively zinc depleted, their serum testosterone concentrations dropped. The chart Dr. Prasad has included on page 347 of the study indicates that by the end of the 20 weeks they had approximately ¼ the testosterone that they had had at the study's beginning.

The implictions of this for bodybuilders and other athletes is clear. If you are depleted or deficient in zinc—and BALCO's clinical experience indicates that you probably are—you can significantly increase your testosterone level through zinc supplementation.

In another group of nine older men 55 to 73 years old, Prasad and his fellow researchers measured serum testosterone levels. These men, he notes, were "marginally zinc deficient" (what BALCO calls "depleted") at the time of the first measurement. After three to six months of zinc supplementation, he measured their serum testosterone levels again. Their testosterone levels had approximately doubled.

For many bodybuilders, this also has important implications. As you get older, your testosterone levels decline. That's one reason why older bodybuilders have more difficulty adding muscle mass than the younger men in the gym. Many bodybuilders begin to sense at the age of 35 or 40 that adding muscle has become more difficult. For someone around this age who is zinc depleted or zinc deficient, supplementation with a highly absorbable form of zinc (monomethionine or asparate or a combination of the two) can make a noticeable difference.

Warning: Do not buy an ineffective zinc supplement. Do not buy tablets. Capsules are more absorbable. Do not buy zinc oxide. This is not a very absorbable form of zinc. Do not buy any zinc supplement that lists any calcium compound in the ingredients because the presence of calcium will reduce your absorption of zinc.

If the capsule contains a filler, it is probably a calcium compound, which will reduce your absorption of the zinc. Fillers are often not mentioned on the list of ingredients. If you are buying a supplement from a health food store and the clerk doesn't know what the filler of a product is, ask him or her to call the company to find out.

[shism2]

1) The development of secondary male sex characteristics also called the androgenic functions of testosterone. Some examples of these characteristics are increased growth of body hair, beard growth, deep voice, increased production of sebaceous glands, development of the penis, aggressiveness, sexual behavior, libido, and the maturation of sperm.

2) Promotion of the protein biosynthesis that are responsible for the highly anabolic characteristics of testosterone. This is a pretty important function. It accelerates muscle buildup, increases the formation of red blood cells, speeds up regeneration, and speeds up recovery time after injuries or illness. It also stimulates the entire metabolism which results in the burning of bodyfat.

3) Inhibition of the gonad regulating cycle, including the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis, which regulates the amount of testosterone produced in the organism. If the testosterone level in the blood is high, the testes will signal the hypothalymus to release less LHRH (leutenizing hormone releasing hormone). Thus the hypophysis releases less gonadotropin LH (leutenizing hormone) and FSH (folic stimulating hormone). Consequently, the Leydig's cells in the testes reduces the production of testosterone. In other words, if you have to much testosterone, your body will tell itself to reduce or even stop production of it until it is back down to its normal levels.





For those who suffer from low testosterone, artificially (through hormone replacement therapy, hrt) increasing the amount of testosterone in the body can be marked with many positive benefits. These benefits are associated with the positive side of testosterone: increase in testosterone libido, greater sense of well-being, an increase in lean body mass and a decrease in body fat.

However, along with these potential benefits come risks: testosterone side effects. These side effects are possible since, with hrt, you're artificially "adding" testosterone instead helping the body to naturally produce more testosterone.

Imbalances in testosterone can lead to the following testosterone side effects :

Increased Hair Loss (for those who suffer from alopecia)
Increase risk of prostate, liver and kidney cancer
High Blood pressure
Acne
Breast formation in men
Testicle reduction (they will return to normal size after testosterone use is finished)
Mood swings
Aggressive behavior
Trouble Sleeping

Alternative is taking herbs which naturally build testosterone


Testestorone gel and patches also significantly reduce side effects instead of injecting them into your blood stream.

I tried taking some herbs which making the body build more and so far Ive seen increase in hair growing on my body. Though not very significant I have an increase in my penis length by .2 from 3 week use.


I also read from studies that black men have 3% percent to 19% percent higher quanity of plasma testosterone.

[Supra]

The best testosterone booster that I have ever used is the Ring Of Power.

This is the best device for erection strengthening, impotence, low testosterone, more blood flow and faster healing in my opinion. Everyone needs one, I wear it 24/7. This device cause 1 volt of electricity to flow around your entire gentile bunch. Go here for the real one http://www.blakoe.com/about5.html If you do not want to pay there ridiculous prices I will build you one.

This thing rock, my erections are getting stronger firmer and I have more blood down there all the time. I cannot even feel that I have it on. All it is is one piece of 99.95 pure zinc rod and one piece of copper those two together combined with your skin produce unlimited electricity, no batteries required.

It will raise you testosterone, make you produce more sperm, cum like Peter North, and increase your fertility rate. Give you a huge flaccid hang, rock hard erections, faster healing from PE.


My Story
I did steroids and a bad cycle at that and totally messed my whole body up, I got ball shrinkage to the max, tons of acne, and high estrogen levels because my body was not producing test or anything to lower the estrogen. I even had penis shrinkage due to the impotence I got from the low test and high estrogen, I could not get hard. I could not get hard. I was a total and complete mess for a year after I got of the cycle. I did not do good drugs like clomid, HCG or Nolvadex that messed me up even more. Lucky I found this ring and it has giving me back everything I lost, and a lot more than I ever dreamed.

My testosterone has gone from went from 458nl to 954nl from a blood test results after wearing 1 month. My test skyrocked to higher levels than I ever saw, my estrogen went all the way down
Now I feel like I am on a constant steroids cause I am getting more ripped and big than I ever did while I was working out 5-6 days a week for an hour a day lifting really heavy and hard with free weights and eating a clean diet. Now I work out 3-4 days a week with just 20-30 minutes of moderate weight lifting with my bowflex and look 100% better.

I just have a great feeling all day. I feel good, great about life and am happier. My balls are big again, I have rock hard erections, I shoot Peter North Loads. When I cum I shoot about 17-20 times not I used to only be about 5-6. I can fill a whole shot glass. Have a nice healthy looking penis full of blood, and a big flaccid hang; I owe everything to this Ring of Power.

Its great for stretching and hanging to keep the blood flow in your penis moving. I wear it all day, in the shower, while swimming, lifting weights and especially during PE and all night. It never comes off and you cannot feel it.

[Shafty]

Yet another reason why the Ring of Power is as powerful as it is! :D

Getting the zinc transdermally is probably much more effective than in the oral form. No wonder the ROP makes your testosterone skyrocket!

[mowinman]

Yep, and Supra proved this with testoterone level tests he has had. Others too have had testosterone increases too. The Ring of Power seems to be doing a very good job for me.

[jakb]

While a blood or saliva test is a more accurate way of establishing your levels of testosterone, you can also use The Saint Louis University Androgen Deficiency in Aging Men (ADAM) Questionnaire. Dr. John Morley, a researcher with the Saint Louis University School of Medicine, developed the self-screening tool to help identify symptoms of low testosterone in men. Choose the responses below that best describe how you have been feeling.

1. Do you have a decrease in libido (sex drive)?
2. Do you have a lack of energy?
3. Do you have a decrease in strength and/or endurance?
4. Have you lost height?
5. Have you noticed a decreased "enjoyment of life"?
6. Are you sad and/or grumpy?
7. Are your erections less strong?
8. Have you noticed a deterioration in your ability to play sports?
9. Are you falling asleep after dinner?
10. Has there been a recent deterioration in your work performance?

If you answer yes to question one or seven, or at least three of the other questions you may have low testosterone levels.

[holla]

how do u get your testosterone level back up?

[petelta]

just wondering what effect testosterone has on PE. i know htat your not supposed to workout around PE exercises because your testosterone lvls drop. im just wondering if more testosterone will develop more growth?

[ebon00]

Do a search. The testosterone issue has been dealt with a couple of times. Suffice to say that more is not necessarily better in the case of testosterone.

[don juan]

In Canada, I was told by my doctor that I had a low testosterone of 3 (he told me that between 2-14, it was considered normal, but then said that mine was on the low side)

Could anyone help me to understand why my testosterone would be low, and what does my number 3 mean along side "200s" that I've read in this forum when reading about testosterone.

Next, what are my options for increasing it?

Thanks

Don Juan

[mowinman]

My understanding of levels are normals between 200-500. He may be refering to the 300 level. Until you drop below a certain point, no doctor will prescribe treatments due to inherant risks. Using a ROP can increase the testosterone level. Do a search on it as there is a post the details the building of one and the materials used are usually easily obtainable.

[Gmoney]

Hey guys

After a Major Study it was stated that Smkoing Marijuana rasies testoterone levels by 70% Which Leads to Gains. Although marijuana isnt safe or leagl it can Help alot.


Do your research ? :D

[YTREW985]

are you sure?
if so thats pretty....dope :D

[RoosterBooster]

That is the absolute first I have ever heard that and find it very hard to believe having looked into testosterone extensively.
I am not saying you are a liar but I would have to challenge you to back that incredible statement up with some facts because this is borderline revolutionary.
That being said though anything I have read from the professional medical community is that beyond surgery there is absolutly no way to increase your penis size and we all know that is a crock 'o sh#t.

[Aldorus]

Provide a source Gmoney
IF anything what Ive heard is that weed lowers testosterone and sperm levels

Did a quick google search and thats all the articles have said.

[erics514]

damn thats hard to believe, but i would love to take your word on it

[kianosh]

That doesn't seem right because when I smoke alot I cum less but then again, that may have nothing to do with testosterone. However, I masturbate more when I am smoking.

[don juan]

Hi, could you tell me if really an increase in testosterone could be possible by following this course "Musclenow"? Why, because I have a very low level of testerone =sex drive low. Help! Thank you.




WHOA! i was just trying to help you guys out. the course is working for me (through MY hard work- i go to the gym five days a week) and i thought it could be helpful for you guys. didn't mean it as an advertisement (oops-my mistake). i'm following this course and doin PE and i think it has helped-the diet described in the book helps you balance your hormone levels (reduce the amt of insulin and thus help increase testosterone) which is always a good thing for PE. then again the course isn't a magic pill that will transform you either. just trying to share whats worked for me, like everybody else here. take it easy.

[BigGuy18]

Well, the course is meant for bodybuilding--building muscle and getting fit and such. I'm sure it would help increase testosterone but I don't know to what extent and if it would be enough to help you. I would recommend working out, if you're not already, as that could help. Compound exercises like squats, bench and barbell rows have been shown to increase testosterone. Nuts (monosaturated fat) also are helpful in boosting testosterone. Do some research on the internet. It will be more helpful than i can be.

[don juan]

Thank you for the message! I will take your advice. However, could you comment on Musclenow (the program)? It sounds excellent! I was up until 1:30 reading the testimonals of all the dedicated members. Wow! What is your story? Is it truly an amazing program? I am curious and would like to possibly buy the program. Thanks

[BigGuy18]

The first thing i'm gonna say, b/c i've already been hounded about being an advertiser and bull@%*, is that its not a miracle drug. It basically lays out everything you have to do to build muscle/lose weight (one or the other- you cant really do both at the same time and you will gain some fat as you put on muscle but you can just as easily lose that w/ his program too). You have to follow through on it and it's not easy. It is effective though. I think what i gained was written in the first post. I would definitely recommend you buy it

Some stuff that i found helpful was the cycling of workouts-- changing the rest periods between each set each week, increasing the number of sets each week, and varying the number of reps each week, all to keep your body guessing and adapting which equals growth. The diet is key, though you will feel stuffed and bloated at times, but it does work. One last thing i recommend is to change the pre/post workout meals to a 4-1 carb-protein ratio as i think this has been proven to increase insulin more--comes from a book by Edmund Burke bout muscle recovery that i think Lance Armstrong incorporates into his training. whew!! hope that helps

[bling]

good luck . i have never seen no one gain that much naturally and i have been doing this 15 years

[BigGuy18]

Really? At the time i was trying to bulk up cause i was playing football and i always wanted more b/c i'm not very big height wise. So i needed to make it up somehow. Never thought my gains were that impressive. Oh well.

Drop a post if u get the program, don juan, curious as to how it works for u.

[DragonTamer7]

with i higher lvl of testosterone would that increase your penis size?

[icky]

whats goin on felleas theres a good chance i have kleinfelters syndrome(still waiting on lab work) but if it comes back positive i'll be elidgable for testosterone injections is anyone out there in the same boat as me? im wondering how this is going to effect my PE program weather positive or negative?

[falcon]

Icky,

I don't know of any one needing testosterone injections myself. Maybe one of the guys on this forum knows more about it.

You might ask the people who are prescribing you this treatment. It might surprise you to find they will be very open about it.

Falcon

[Cobra4.6]

I was wondering if boost my testosterone will that also help with getting my penis bigger or is it only good for working and strength. Im not taking steriods or those testosterone boosters or anything what I am taking is ZMA and I was reading that it helps boost testosterone and helps you sleep better, other than that will help on penis gains?

[RoosterBooster]

The zinc will help T levels but only nominally, but zinc is a major component in ejaculation. Yes ZMA is great for rest and recovery and in that sense will help your gains.

[TheAsianMach]

I know that working out and getting erections creates testosterone, but what are some other natural ways of building the hormone? Also, since getting erections produces the hormone, is it healthy for someone to constantly masturbate to erection but not reach orgasim?

[BrotherDave]

you need a Ring of Power!

http://www.mens-network.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4314

[BrotherDave]

http://www.mens-network.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4314

build one

[TheAsianMach]

I am building one, once all the parts get in. But what about my second question? Would keeping an erectiong but not reach orgasim boost T levels?

[turtle]

Ejaculation causes a temporary decline, but I really don't think that abstinence would lead to an increase. Abstinence will probably make you a little surly, but I don't think that has anything to do with extra male hormones.
turtle

[wohoo19m]

Testosterone is what makes us men get bigger than women when we body build. That's why most people who want to pack on more muscle use steroids because these add testosterone. Testosterone is created by your testes so any testosterone that you'll take my other means will render your testes not as usefull and will shrink them. So if your loking for ways to get more testosterone, I'd suggest looking for other means. Small things can raise testosterone, like reducing stress.

[wohoo19m]

Where did you hear that your testosterone raises when you get an erection?

[TheAsianMach]

Doesn't your testosterone levels increase when you get an erection, as well when your about to reach orgasim. Doesn't cumming actually releases testosterone?

[fishhawg2k3]

Doesn't your testosterone levels increase when you get an erection, as well when your about to reach orgasim. Doesn't cumming actually releases testosterone?
No it releases semen More sexual activity in general means more testosterone production cuz ur body knows something important stuff is going on.

[Momo]

I'm very clear in my view on this. I've known guys that have had so much sex, so frequently, they actually got physically ill. Weak. As if the 'life force' was literally being SUCKED *cough* out of them.

On the other hand, take a look on the Discovery channel. When they have a show about Lions. The rogue male lion, on the prowl, hunting for food, and looking for a pride of lionesses to conquer. Meanwhile, all that sperm and testosterone is building up, his balls get gigantic, he gets strong, aggressive, really high testosterone, never sleeps, always on the prowl. Encounters a pride. Kicks the residing male lion's arse, and banishes him. Takes over the pride. Has all kinds of sex. Constantly. Get's lazy. The females hunt for him. He lays around, does almost nothing, but having sex, getting lazier, and weaker all the while. Then, he himself gets conquered & banished (or killed).

'Tis the way of nature. "The load" is powerful. Use it to your advantage - don't waste it. It is the life force, of your 'physical' body. Control it, don't let it control you. Use moderation, and good judgement as always, though - of course. :D

[Momo]

Testosterone is what makes us men get bigger than women when we body build. That's why most people who want to pack on more muscle use steroids because these add testosterone. Testosterone is created by your testes so any testosterone that you'll take my other means will render your testes not as usefull and will shrink them. So if your loking for ways to get more testosterone, I'd suggest looking for other means. Small things can raise testosterone, like reducing stress.

Yes, if you try to cheat via unnatural methods *cough* ROP *cough*, to make gains here and now, you will pay the price later. It's not worth it. The testes are very unforgiving, if you scew with the hormonal balance. I advise taking ZERO risk. But, everyone is always looking for the easy road. "Gain 3 inches in 6 months!" Yeah well, see how long that lasts, once you go back to a 'normal' life. You may end up smaller than when you started. As for me, I'm in this for the LONG haul, and I'm not going to try to cheat my chemisty. All you've done in the end, if you do that, is screw yourself up. WANTING to make gains is one thing, but if you get to the point where you're considering unnatural routes, you might want to think about the long term effects - and if that's something you really want to risk.

Testosterone can be raised. It's basically a life-long process. I'd seriously have to write a book, on how to do it, though. Not going to happen this evening. Suffice it to say that if A.) you want it bad enough, B.) you are intelligent enough, and C.) you have a very strong, uniquely powerful sexual nature, you will figure out how to do it. There are drawbacks to high testosterone, though. For one thing, over time, your face will change. That 'cute' boyish look? Forget about it. You'll have a very intense, masculine face, that scares most people. Not something they're used to seeing, in THIS day and age. But, the women - who have a strong sexual nature, they see it, and they LIKE it. A lot. And what else matters? Hmm? ;)

[Borfus]

Testosterone can be raised. It's basically a life-long process. I'd seriously have to write a book, on how to do it, though. Not going to happen this evening. Suffice it to say that if A.) you want it bad enough, B.) you are intelligent enough, and C.) you have a very strong, uniquely powerful sexual nature, you will figure out how to do it. There are drawbacks to high testosterone, though. For one thing, over time, your face will change. That 'cute' boyish look? Forget about it. You'll have a very intense, masculine face, that scares most people. Not something they're used to seeing, in THIS day and age. But, the women - who have a strong sexual nature, they see it, and they LIKE it. A lot. And what else matters? Hmm? ;)

I'm very interested in learning about the methods you use to raise testosterone. Here are some of the ones I currently use, but I was wondering if you know any more:

1. Sunlight
2. Accomplishment
3. Weight lifting

I read some of your earlier posts wherein you advocate abstaining from orgasm for 3 weeks at a time. Do you believe this raises testosterone?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

[wohoo19m]

I don't think restraining from orgasms is un-healthy for your prostate. Regular ejaculation will keep your prostate healthy. As for raising testosterone, not really, if anything, ejaculating more often will make your testes go into overdrive to create more of it.

[Momo]

I'm very interested in learning about the methods you use to raise testosterone. Here are some of the ones I currently use, but I was wondering if you know any more:

1. Sunlight
2. Accomplishment
3. Weight lifting

I read some of your earlier posts wherein you advocate abstaining from orgasm for 3 weeks at a time. Do you believe this raises testosterone?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Sunlight boosts energy, that's for sure. I'll tell you right off the bat, though - I hate sunlight. :p But yeah, it is necessary. I heard a doctor say that UV goes through your eyes, and into your pituitary gland, which produces *cough* a certain something (can't remember)... that you NEED, to LIVE. So you need sunlight not just for testosterone & energy, but to live, and be healthy. Even still, I take my sunlight in moderation. Just recieved my Tantowel shipment recently. ;)

Weightlifting. Ohoohhhohh.... Yes... that is key. And just like you have PSP (not that I have tried it), for PE, there are supplements you can take -in moderation, for me that is- that will help you make strides there. Creatine. Amino acids (I take capsules, liquid form, and tablets). And protein shakes - I have several a day. If you don't feed yourself this stuff, you'r not going to GROW.

Rest, and low stress. Not always easy and convenient. But it's usually a mind game - the stress part. Learn not to let anything get to you. As for rest, I take it when I can get it. 90% of the time, my body wakes up on it's own, and is ready to go... usually wanting me to do some PE. "No.. no... it's an off day, dammit, leave it alone". :rolleyes: Instead, focus that energy (which I use as a synonym to testosterone, in case you hadn't noticed) on making progress elsewhere. But the key is not to WASTE energy, or let it decline. The epitome of waste, is to go around having orgasms every day. But, you can also waste energy by just getting on the computer, and horsing around, when yor body really wanted you to go workout.

Don't eat junk. I don't drink soda. I don't even drink cow's milk (light chocolate soy :p ). Fat & crappy foods = the nemesis of testosterone, and health. Fast food? Never. I usually eat nothing but a protein shake (made of OJ, V8, the afore mentioned soy milk, liquid amino, creatine, protein powder, etc.), followed by some fruit, oatmeal, some fiber, vitamins (of various kinds, ranging from garlic to coral calcium), maybe a couple of herbal tablets, some more fruit, maybe some pistachios, perhaps ONE real meal - like say, lasagna, another protein shake, more oatmeal, a sandwich, protein/health snack bar, some juice, etc. That's it. That's about all I'll eat, on an average day. And personally, I don't even consider my diet healthy. :eek:

It's OK though. :cool:

Candy? Icecream? Pizza? What are those?? I used to know. Once upon a time. Btw, I drink about 2 gallons of water a day, and am constantly aggressively cleansing my colon via a wide array of fiber supplements.

It's all about health here.

Oh yeah, another thing I've learned. Don't underestimate the power of lotions. Stuff that absorbs via the skin. Don't tell anybody, but I think that's where like 50% of my PE gains have come from... lotions that keep the skin healthy, blood going through the area, heck I dunno - but there is no doubt that stuff works. If I put too much on, before I go to bed, I can't sleep. It's like coffee (which I don't drink) - via the skin. Lotions can be powerful. For many purposes. These modern chemists have worked some amazing formulae. Take advantage. Don't let women be the only ones. :D

Accomplishment? I've read that, yes. Thus, maybe it's worth tricking yourself into thinking you 'did' something big every day. But, I usually just try to keep confidence & self esteem high - has the same effect, I think. As for your 'accomplishing' things, well, yeah, that happens every day anyway. Just working out, you can get that feeling. Stay productive, and industrious, etc. Always be driving, and working towards something. Different things, constantly. So ultimately, you will have a constant stream of results (accomplishments) showing up - from all different directions. SEEING, and realizing accomlishments, gives you a HELL YEAH feeling, that you just can't get from anything else. So, always be driving towards them. Work HARD. Always keep putting more and more in. Thus, your tolerance for work increases. Resulting in your ability to put even more in.

Avoid heat. In the crotch, especially, that is. Underwear? I stopped wearing it, around the same time I started doing PE. Well, with some exceptions. For ex., I've found these bikinis, that I wear when I sleep, because when I tuck my dick down, the blood flow stays higher than flaccid through there all night. Plus if it's cold, yeah, wear some briefs, blah blah - no sense in getting to other boring details here. Just always remember to give your testicles some breathing room. Btw, I am convinced that wearing 'tighty whities' is some kind of Western civilization conspiracy to emasculate human males, over many generations. It has that effect, my friend - believe it.

These are just some ideas. Keep chatting, and maybe some more stuff I do/use will come to mind, that I don't even realize because it's become so routine.

[spartan41]

I dont know much about PEin yet but I do know quite abit about testosterone. I'm an avid lifter and have been for a while( I get all the magazines). Things like The ROP and supplements (not including prohormones) can help you boost natural levels of testosterone.. Steroids will shrink your nuts because its testosterone your puttin in your body and your nuts wont need to produce anymore so they stop makin it and your screwed when your cycle is over. But ZMA, tribulus, CLA, are good things to take for your hormones. Also you need fat in your diet, yes saturated fat too, they really help out with hormone secretions. Of course if you eat to much of it you'll become fat yourself.. Refined carbs dont help out T levels either. Stay away from prohormone supplements like andro, methyl supps. 60x0, all that stuff is bad for your own nuts. The people that are sayin the ROP will be bad for your balls are wrong. It makes your testes produce T and wont effect them later on after your done usin it...
Hope I could help some

[Bionic1]

Short answer, no. Testosterone supplementation or supps to boost test will NOT make your penis bigger. DHT is responsible for that and, it is believed, that after puberty, the DHT receptors in the penis are non-functional.
There seems to be quite a bit of mis-information out there about steroids and test boosters. I'm not surprised. Did you know that there is a way to take steroids w/o shutting down your own testosterone production (no shrinkage) ? Did you know that there are ways to get your nuts back to size (maybe even larger) within days/weeks after a steroid cycle? What I'm trying to say is, please don't buy into all of the media hype. The truth is out there and is just waiting for people to uncover it.
As for the ROP, until there are controlled long-term studies as to the effects, everything that everyone has to say about it is pure speculation and saying that it is harmless is dangerous and irresponsible, IMHO.

[Borfus]

Awesome, thanks for the advice everyone, especially Momo.

I have one more off the top of my head: Violent/competitive movies.

They found that when men watched The Godfather, their testosterone levels raised.

[Momo]

High testosterone goes hand-in-hand with aggression. When my testosterone is nice and high, I have little patience, and can start barking at little insignificant things, I get muscular tension, and am prone to stand up to challenges, have road rage, throw things, put my hands on somebody, etc.

I've learned to be EXTREMELY careful, and have GREAT restraint, when I've gone 2+ weeks without a full orgasm. Testosterone is really high. I HAVE to work out -hard- in the gym... every single day, just so I can 'exercise the demons' and be able to sleep comfortably.

Managing high testosterone is not for the faint of heart. It's taken many years, but I've learned to control it. And, it keeps increasing. So, the chalenge is always there. You don't actually reach your peak testosterone levels until around age 28-32. Then it plateaus. All the way until you get to around 58-62. Then it startes to decline at about the same rate it climbed, when you were a teenager & in your 20s. Everybody thinks the 18 y/o male has the most testosterone. Hardly. He has about the same as a 65 y/o man, at best. Anyway, I'm just just my mid-20s, so I still am climbing, up to the big plateau.

Anyway, most guys can't handle it. Thus they go around blowing their load all the time. The difference, between holding your cum for 3 weeks, and having 2 or 3 back to back orgasms, after that 3 week period, is night and day. You literally FEEL like a totally different person. That's why when these guys say "oh, man, you don't need to do that, plus it not healthy"... yeah, right. You don't KNOW what it means to go a month with no orgams - WHILE doing PE, pumping iron, etc... all the while. You turn into a beast. Night and day difference, once you go blow your load, though. Then you become a normal man again, and your.... "power" is diminished. For several days anyway. Then it starts building again.

Another thing you can do to raise testosterone, is do something rough. When I was a boxer, I would beat the crap out of myself with the medicine ball, I'd get the heavy bag swinging high, and head-butt it, pound on my abs, chest, shoulders, legs, etc. with my fists. What's the point? Well, it forces your body to produce more testosterone - BECAUSE you need it. Testosterone is key for repairing tissues, healing, and growth. That's why NFL players take steroids, just to get through the season when they get injured. Anyway, you get physical, and your body will produce more juice. Think about the skinny kid that never played a contact sport - a lot of testosterone there? No - probably not.

And when I was talking about diet earlier, I didn't mean to come across as a health nut. I do try to manage a healthy diet, and rely on GNC for 90% of my protein... but, yeah, I eat real food, too. Meat, etc. Gotta feed the machine. Just like you add variety to exercising (including PE), add variety to what you put into your body. In fact, I think I'll have a nice juicy steak tomorrow. Filet Mignon. :p

[Bionic1]

A recent study in 2003 (sorry, didn't have the foresight to copy the link) showed that during a period of abstinence, serum testosterone levels peaked at 7 days and then began to rapidly decline by the 8th day. They believe that this is due to suppression of Leutenizing Hormone. So if you're interested in peaking test, keep insulin levels low by eating every 2-3 hours and bust a nut every 8 days. BTW, another study showed that frequent ejaculations in your 20's lowered the risk (exponentially) of prostate troubles in your 60's. Ejaculation also boosts your natural levels of Natural Killer Cells (immune response.) I would suggest masturbation w/o ejaculation because sexual stumuli also boosts test levels. Just hold it in til the 8th day.

[falcon]

Go to your local vitamin store. They have lots of supplements both herbal and minerals that will help with Testosterone. Take double the dose for the first two weeks then back off to the recommended dosage.

Falcon

[TheAsianMach]

which particular supplement do you suggest? do you take any?

[falcon]

No, I don't take supplements to increase testosterone.

Falcon

[Dazzlingdaz3]

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[juggz606]

I am taking 17HD (17- Halo-Methy-Dianadrone) , Its made by a company name vyotech. Its a pro-Testosterone amplifier. It goes along with my body workout . I take it 30 mins before my workout and it has helped me increase my workout intensity upto 30%%. I do my PE 1 hour after my workout at the gym .

i was thinking about getting PSP , But i am kinda hesitating to get it .
do u all think that this 17HD is enough as a supplement for my PE ? any reviews about this product ??

[juggz606]

Matter of fact . I get even more stronger erections with this thing than i usually get when i am not taking it .

my routine is basically jelquing with my home made jar lifting device and i feel like my penis is more thicker and i have gained a little girth .

another question , i take this pill 4 times a week ( only on the days when i am working out ) and i do PE for 6 days .. do u all think i should take it for 2 more days just for my PE??