Megathread - Warmup / Warmdown and Alternatives

[Emanon]

Can you warm up using a shower instead of warm rags? It seems like it would be a lot easier and less conspicuous.

[bookswap2002]

Of course u can :)

[Animage]

im just wondering, is 6 inches long a good size for an 18 yr old? it seems average to me. also, will it grow on its own anymore? i heard 18 is when your penis reaches its peak growth, has anyone else's grown beyond that age?

and about the warm ups, is it totally nessacary to do *all* the steps, and if i were to only do quick/less thourough warm ups would it still work well?

thanks!

[bookswap2002]

Ok you are average size not likely to grow more for the warmup all u need to do is the warm wrap for 1-2 minutes surely thats not that many steps?

[ian7]

What exactly is a cool down technique. I know when you want to come off the program you do go through two weeks of cool down. But I'm asking about when you are on the program since there are none listed.

[stubby]

by cooldown they mean rest for 30 seconds ( stand up) to let the blood flow resume before starting another exercise and then at the end you warm down with a warm cloth again

[jay420]

is it really necessary to cool down after each workout? If you do not does it effect your gains?

[Crumpylax]

I see in many posts on the forum that people have a cool down in there work out routine, what exactly do you do for the cool down.

thanx crumpylax

[calc2000]

Please someone help us with this because im at a loss.
Plus another thing does one have to warm up with the hot towel for each excersise or just at the beginning?

Thanks

[smallboy]

i use the hot towel before and after i the "whole" workout so that's NOT before and after EACH exercise that i do!

[highlander]

Hi everybody,

I have been exercising for two days now and in my personal consultation by Darren, he mentioned the cooling down. But how do you do this, because in the website the cool down seems only to talk about when you are satisfied with your gains and want to halt growth.
Any suggestions???
Highlander

[is8ok]

Hey,

A cooldown after all of the exercises are complete is the same as the warm up (ie. Warm Towel, cloth); however, a cooldown for me between exercises usually involves massaging and twirling the penis for a short period of time (30 seconds). Hope this helps you.

[Darren PH Support]

exactly right :)

[daflid]

As a new member, I'm just wondering what types of cool down exercises I should be using?

[tranceology]

Daflid,

I was confused about that when starting out as well. Just repeat the hot wrap again for at least 5 minutes when you finish your workout. This is essential for gains and helps prevent soreness and/or injury.

Good luck with your gains!
Tranceology

[pausydon]

Hi,
3 questions. I was wondering how people knew about the permanence of gains and if it really is possible. Most people who get big gains seem to never stop and work out from time to time so how do people know about the permanence of the gains and how to go about it?

I've read elsewhere people saying that they maintain their results by jelquing once a week or once a month,etc. yet here the website's author says all one needs is one week to 'wean oneself off' the program... what to believe?

I also read that the towel-wrap is the best to warm-up but I don't like making a mess (for me to take the time to then clean later) with the towel so I prefer doing warm-up exercises that allow me to stay in my room. Is there a way to warm-up and make it as efficient if not more than the hot wrap sessions without performing the latter, even if it means more time?


Thanks in advance,
Po

[Darren PH Support]

I have personally made gains and then stopped doing the exercises so i can be a testimonial that the gains are permanenet. I can understand you NOT wanting to do this for the rest of your life!

Regarding the warmup the "hot wrap" is the best method but as mentioned in the text some before hand stretching can be used instead. Why not do it differently everyday? some days do the hot wrap? maybe when u have just come out of the shower this saves u making a mess and some days do the stretching.

[BruinJDS]

Do you need to cool down after a single workout or is this for when you are just finished with the program?

[Darren PH Support]

cool down, do this by applying the hot wrap for 1-2 minutes after a workout.

[Xolotl]

I usually warm up for a few minutes then I do some stretching and a LOT of Jelqs, I stretch when my hands need a break from Jelqs then go mack to jelqs. I them do the cool down with the same method used to warm up.

I used to use the wake up cloth but, with my living situation it was far from convienient. So I went to K-mart and got a heating pad from the 1st aid section. Give it plenty of time to warm up and you can use it in complete privacy.

The warm up and cool down are essential, they make the difference between gaining and not getting anything.

Somone else posted using hand warmers, those are those hot packs you get that heat up chemically, I think they can only be used once but are pretty cheap.

The heating pad cost me about 13 bucks.

-X

[Xolotl]

But then you still need to do the cool down. Which would be more conspicous if you went back in the shower.

I bought myself a heating pad. Seems to work wel in the pivacy of my own room.

X

[tigerbartlett]

Another method entails getting a large enough brimmed cup and fill it with a tolerable warm/hot water temperature, and submerge your penis into the cup, including your testicles. I believe it is known as the Mug 'n Soak.

If you don't mind ocassionally having to refill with warmer/hotter water when it cools down. Each to their own!

[KingD]

If you need some more help with ideas for a more inconspicuous warm-up than check my TIPS,TRICKS, And SUPPLEMENTS thread. It has alot os warm-up ideas in it!!!

[maxpower454]

I'm 20 years old and I ahve not grown for a few years so I doubt if you will but you never know. A good warm cloth warmup is sufficient.

[mcable03]

I am a new member, and I want to start the exercise, but I live at home still, and have to have more privacy. I was wondering, if all the exercises can be done while standing and in the shower, and if soap can be used as the lubercant? Will results be the same?

[Daz MN Support]

yes to both, this means the warmup and cooldown could be easier to do, your parents will wonder why you are in the shower for half an hour though :D

[wohoo19m]

I've tried it and it works , you'll have a tough time doing the stretches though . I just told my mom I was doing exercises so I don't get problems getting it up later in life . She was like " Oh yeah , you men have a real problem with that don't you . Alright then . " :D Now she doesn't care !

[Unregistered]

But, I got another answer from someone that said DO NOT use soap. Your penis will turn into chalk(not literally) the next morning. Is that true??

[Unregistered]

Could I use a water bottle/canteen for the warm-up/warm-downs? It stays hot and it is less messy.

[wohoo19m]

DO NOT use soap , your penis will dry up , I found that the hard way . Believe me it ain't pretty:eek: just use water . It works fine , it makes things slippery enough to jelq :D I only use soap to wash and even then I don't leave it on for long .

[ebon00]

It's not a bad idea but most water bottles are a little cumbersome. I suggest trying the rice sock, a device I recently re-discovered. Take any regular tennis sock and fill it with enough uncooked rice so that it forms a kind of flat sheet about 1/2 and inch thick. Tie off the open end, heat it in the microwave for about 30-40 seconds (depending on the effect) and apply (with caution to and around the penis (wrap it around). It stays warm for a long time, it's very inexpensive, and mess-free.

[KingD]

Or if you use soap massage oil on your penis once you come out of the shower. I use either a few drops of conditioner or a feww drops of that special shampoo(you know that shampoo and conditioner all in 1 stuff). It really depends on the type of skin you have. Here is a tip, try different soaps and the one that doesn't dryout your skin is the one to use:rolleyes: :p

[KingD]

I mean for you to use the shampoo or soap for jelqing not to massage onto your penis. Use the oil for that. If conditioner dried your skin out than why is it called conditioner??!!!??:p The most damage it can do is leave your pubic hairs(the little bit left due to shaving) healthy, shiny, and smelling good.;)

[wohoo19m]

Wouldn't it be good if you washed with herbal essence and she'd get off just by putting her fingers on your pubs like in the commercials :p Don't know about you , but that would turn me on big time !! Nothin sweeter than the sound of your woman enjoying herself , or the sight :D

[WangChun]

So you told your mom you were doing penis-enlargement exercises?

[wohoo19m]

Not exactly , I told her I was doing exercises to keep me from getting erectile disfunctions . I didn't tell her anything about penis enlarging . :D

[WangChun]

well you've got big balls, and maybe one day a big penis

[GALETEO281]

I have been reading the threads and none of them say anything about cooling down! i was wondering if you should cool down after you have gained some or wait till your done peing? in the penis-health work outs,i havent been able to get any info on the cool downs and thats why i ask about them cause ther seems to be almost no info about cooling down or when you should be doing it?


if anyone could give me any help on this cause i to want to keep my gains? can anybody help thanks!!

[Yves]

Hi GALETEO281,

After every PE-workout you should do a cool-down, in the schedule they talk about “The Wake Up Cloth”. This is done before and after your PE-session.
If you stop the PE-program, there is also a special program you should do to keep your gains. See the PH-website.

Good Luck,
Yves

[shortyreed]

all exercises say to warm up.say that I do warm up then do stretches followed by girth exercise or something.Do I have to warm up again or do the stretches I do after I warm up good to keep going,with the girth or something

[Yves]

Hi shortyreed,

You only have to do 1 warm-up before your workout. Only if you have a long break between the different exercises you have to do an extra warm-up.
It will not have any negative influence if you do a warm-up between your exercises.

Good Luck,
Yves

[Anon]

Personally, i warm up for 10, stretch for 10, then warm up again for 5 before doing another 5 of stretches. I believe it was ebon00 who posted a while ago (in a thread called "The science of PE") about ligaments and soft tissue being more supple when heated. The extra heat in the stretches is along that idea, but i've only just started, so i've yet to see whether it has sped up my growth or not. I certainly feel well stretched afterwards :)

[K_9]

yeah its a matter of personal preference i warm up before and after but never between and have seen decent gains... warming up again in the middle im sure would have no negative effects and would actually in theory yield better results

[mowinman]

Personal preferences. I rarely if ever do I do a conventional warm. I have been doing PE for quite some time though. I just start with low impact exercises and increase it's intensity as I go through my exercise routine ( that is how I warm up now). No wasted time for exercises that I use. I would not however, recommend this for the beginner in any form or fashion. You should always dedicate the time to warm up. Only as a seasoned vet should you attemt any exercise without proper warmup. You have to be greatly in tune with your body to do these exercises without proper warmup, to do so could result in injury and setbacks. Always warm up before getting into an intense program. You can as you gain experience try different things. Stick to the basics until you have some time in doing these exercises. Make no excuse to skip proper warmups.

[itsfoe30]

If you guys had some money to spare I found a product that works like the rice sock but even better. Check out the website unique-heat.com. Its a specialized heating pad meant for PE'ing. It uses 100% flax seed which gives out moist heat that promotes healing and growth. Not that expenisive. 15.95 + shipping and handling. I ordered one. It saves a lot of time for warm ups and warm downs.



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[ngt2000]

Well for that price i'm willing to give it a try...just ordered it using PayPal...it's always a good idea to keep a few hundred bucks in there for quick purchases

[mowinman]

Let me know how it works falcon, I may order one too.

[MrP]

That thing looks awesome. I just purchased one.

[MrP]

Ok my thermo-flex heating pad just came in today and I have to say its awesome. Great quality and real good design. I had a rice sock but this is definately my new favorite. Mine came in black :)

[Jack03]

Hey guys, was just gonna mention a very helpful and convenient warm up device that I have been using. It is a moist heating pad that you put in the microwave for a couple minutes. It is very similar to a rice sock but if you don't want to make a rice sock I suggest you go to a store that sells moist heating pads and buy one. They are pretty cheap and stay warm for 20-30 min. This is NOT an electric heating pad, instead it is filled with what feels like rice and is also very soft and comfortable when used. also you adjust the temp by how long you put it in the microwave and when you take it out you just wrap it around the penis and balls like you would the dish cloth and then reheat as needed. I have been using this for about a month and find it very effective. So for those who are tired of the dish cloths i highly recommend you buy one of these cheap moist heating pads.



This thread has been placed in the appropriate forum it belongs in. ;)

[falcon]

I had one of those, smoked it in the microwave by accident. Made a rice sock and smoked that one also. I decided that the life expectency of a rice sock for me is about 3 months so I just make them myself. Lot cheaper that way.

[mikenmike0001]

oh really? where do you buy these things? how much is it? an dhow many times can you reuse them?

[Jack03]

You can find them at wal-mart, k-mart, pretty much any where that sells heating pads. I have had mine for about 5 years and bought it primarily for my back but was sick of using hot cloths to do warm ups with so one day I was thinking of different things I could use instead and i thought of this. You can reuse them a long time as long as you don't over heat them in the microwave. I usually put mine in for 2 min and it is usually right on the money but you can adjust from there but i wouldn't go over 2 minutes unless the one you buy is a different brand and says you can in the instructions. And also want to tell you that these heating pads are for tons of uses not like those new ones that they have out that you tape on your back for one time then throw away. it is a thick fabric MOIST heating pad that you don't plug in. Oh yeah almost forgot, I bought mine 5 years ago for about 15 bucks i think but i don't know how much they are now but like I said it is a time saver and a great thing to use if you don't mind spending money to buy one and it lasts a long time. hope this helped!!!

[turtle]

Jack03
Thanks for the suggestion. I just picked up the Original Bed Buddy Back Wrap from Walgreens. It's 14.99 plus tax. Moist heat relief, microwave 1 1/2 minutes, stays warm for about an hour. If your knee or back is sore from a workout or after a game, then you have a real nice heating pad. The $15 rice sock that you can buy on the internet will not do your back or knee much good. I just used it for a PE workout. It worked great! I feel that my stretches worked even better because of the even and complete heating. Of course, that's what the advocates of the rice sock have always pointed out. It's much better than a hot washcloth. Although, Falcon take note, the box specifically warns not to heat more than 2 1/2 minutes per use. If you don't feel like conscructing a rice sock, then pick one of these things up from Walgreens. The difference between a hot washcloth and the bed buddy is unbelievable.
Turtle

[thanatos]

Hello everyone. I'm new here and am going to start PEing soon(making it a reward to myself for when I quit smoking). I've read the free penis enlargment guide and had a question regarding the warm up section. It says to repeat the warm cloth warm up until you feel loose enough to begin exercise. My quesiton is "what exactly constitues a loose feeling?" We're not exactly talking about the same kind of warm up you would with say runing or weight lifting, where you're stretching muscles and preparing them for exercise. As I understand it, we'll be stretching and working out ligaments and spongy tissue, so what exactly is a "loose" feeling with these areas? Sorry if this seems a simple question for most of you but I'm starting work with a rather valuable part of my anatomy and I'd rather not break it if you take my meaning:cool: Any help the can be offered would be appreciated

Thanatos.

[ebon00]

This will sound a little "loose" but you'll know the feeling when you feel it. The basic use of the warmup is to get the ligaments and the tunica ready for work. Science suggest that it's easier to stretch warm tissue so when you "feel" warm (you'll be hanging lower too) it's time to start stretching.

[turtle]

Thanatos
The warm up cloth does work, I used it exclusively for the first six months. But, it does require some learning. How hot do you get it at first, basically as warm as you can take it without burning your friend. Do you need to reuse it at the midpoint of the workout, not necessary but it doesn't hurt anything. Of course that means more hot water. And how long should you warm up?
If time isn't a factor, you are better off with to much rather than to little. This is what I did and it seemed to work for me. Warm-up 3 minutes, warm-down 2 minutes. I've recently changed things a little bit. I now have a microwaivable bed buddy, available at Walgreens. I use a 4 min. warm-up, do my stretch routine. Then a 2 minute midpoint warming. Then my girth routine followed with a 3 minute warm-down. Is this better? I don't know. But during the workout it feels "looser", and as Ebon says you can tell when it is properly warmed up. Microwaive heating pad is an alternative to making a rice sock. Either of these work better than the wet cloth.
Good luck on your PE adventure
Turtle

[Old sexy]

Has anyone tried the Thermo Flex from?
unique-heat

it costs $15.95US. If so is it worth buying?



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[falcon]

Everyone that owns one seems to love them. I just make rice socks. Cost about 3 cents to make. Some rice and an old sock.

[mowinman]

Several here have on including Supra I think, you can make a rice sock cheap and even replace the rice with flax seed. The main product in that warmer.

[turtle]

Old sexy
I think a better purchase is the Bed Buddy Back Wrap sold at Walgreens for $15.00. If your knee or back is sore you can use the Bed Buddy, for PE purposes it is a great warmup. No question a rice sock is cheaper, but I didn't have to make the Bed Buddy.
Turtle

[Old sexy]

Thanks guys, for the info, it looks a rice sock for me. To make a rice sock, do you just fill the open end of a sock with rice, then sow the end up?

[mowinman]

Old sexy, here is the post I did on how to make one:

Click Here (http://www.mens-network.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3117&highlight=rice+sock)

[Old sexy]

Thanks again mowinman, Have ever heard of or tried these penis pills ziozpher available from: Let me know.



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[mowinman]

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[apex]

Hi guys, first post here. I have tried the exercises sitting in a chair as shown and find I have limit success in applying the right technique for a jelq. However, if I take a bath, lying down, I find I can stretch my penis much better. I make an OK at the base to enclose the blood, then try to push it up to the head with the other hand. The warm water is adequte lube. I also find that I have a harder time getting an erection in a hot bath compared to sitting at a chair, which limits my time doing the exercises as I have to continuely fight letting an erection subside. Any comments?

[thebobo9]

I'd suggest continueing to do them in a chair. Jelqs do feel kind of odd at first, but you'll get used to it and develop proper technique. Basically, unless you want to have a completely underwater workout *stretches included* stay out of the tub.

My two cents.
Bobo

[tabasco]

Welcome to the forum, apex,

Your candor in your post is a great sign. Honest questions will get some honest responses.

Getting started with new exercises can be difficult. Keep trying the jelqs sitting in a chair or even standing if you want. Use lotion or oil to keep yourself lubed, and be patient with yourself.
Most of us have some start up problems and the key is to stay with the beginner program, building up time on each exercise and then add intensity and new exercises after a month or so. This is exercise, and moving into the program gradually is a good thing! Few of us have rapid gains at the start, but most of us get good gains as we stay with the program.

It sounds like you may be starting with the Penis-Health program, if so, watch the vids and keep practicing. It took me a couple of weeks to get the jelqs down well. Now I can do 200+ with little problem. As turtle and others have recommended, go for reps rather than time. I think you will be very pleased with the results.

Again, welcome and keep us posted.

tabasco

[alejandro04]

i mean why do i have to do it
if the penis almost always keeps hot

[falcon]

The warm up helps soften the tissues of the penis allows you to work it much harder than if it wasn't warmed up.

Try this experiment. Do your PE without warming up. Make sure you give your workout some high intensity. Then do your next PE with warming up for 5 to 10 minutes.

You should notice a difference. If you don't then either you aren't working hard enough or you have a high pain tollerance.

[mpizzle]

Whilst I think that a warm up is logically useful in terms of encouraging pelvic blood flow and preventing injury, I would like the input of a few moderators and veterans on the warm down.

Is the warm down really necessary? After the exercises, the penis is usually already filled with blood more so than usual. I know a lot of people talk about their postwork out pump, but I find that if I warm down in the shower for example, the pump is lost fairly quickly.

I still warm down as I think it may potentially be useful in preventing injury. However, I noticed on another forum, somebody said that they had stopped warming down and that their post-workout pumps lasted longer.

So do you guys think that the warm down is useful, and do any of you have any unique ways that have proved useful to warm down?

[mpizzle]

By the way, I use the word warm down intead of cooling down since you're usually adding more heat.

On another forum though, some guy said he was warming down by alternating between pouring hot and then cold water on his penis after his workouts. Alternating between hot and cold water in showering after cardiovascular or bodybuilding has been shown to improve recovery from this training. Hence the fact that this guy applied it to his penis. What do you guys think about this method?

[turtle]

Originally posted by mpizzle
However, I noticed on another forum, somebody said that they had stopped warming down and that their post-workout pumps lasted longer.



I have always done a 3 min. warmup and a 2 min. warmdown. Why? Penis Health said it was a good idea to help prevent injury. It only takes 5 min. and it might actually help. I haven't had an injury in a year of PE and I've managed to gain a little bit. I would say stick with the warmup/warmdown as a required step. Why take chances? As far as the post-workout pump mentioned above, who cares it's temporary anyway. One thing that I do, that I like, is that I use a microwaivable heating pad, the Bed Buddy Back Wrap, for both the warmup and the warmdown. It maintains sufficient heat for about 45 min., especially if you slip it under a quilt or something, and I do a 40 min. workout. Accordingly, I don't have the wet wash cloth mess sort of thing. I know that it's just water, but I also think the heating pad does a better job.
turtle

[ChronDick]

And don't forget there are more than one way to warmup/cooldown. I believe it was KingD who posted many different ways in the Tips and Tricks section of the forums, he posted many alternavtive, including my favorite, the heated blanket.

[falcon]

Rice sock works well too.

Throw it in your lap, wrap it around your cock and forget about it!

[knicks]

i believe there are more to a warm-up/warm-down:
1. prevent injuries
2. promote healing
3. prevent discolouring
4. promote health
5. promote/anchoring gains

it's obvious why we want to warm-up before exercising; as much as we want to shock our bodies to promote growth, we gotta do it safely. Instead of dead stopping in the tracks, allow the body to gradually slow down.

Our body heals better under heat. One of the reasons why we have fevers, to allow our immune system work more aggresively. And if we sprain an ankle, it swells and boils from inside because your body is trying to speed up the healing process. Athelets put heat packs on overworked muscles, so should we (per se).

Under the high pressure in PE, capillieries are likely going to break. That's why we get red spots. When we have a wound, open or internal, our bodies rebuild faster under heat. An open wound gets itchy and warm cuz the cells are working in frenzy. *NOTE: i'm talking in a healthy change in temperate of a degree or two, no burning or cooking temperate. Discolouring and red spots may occur due to poor blood circulation. Warmth with help put the disrupted bloodflow back to normal. Blood brings nutrients, that's food our dicks need for repair and growth.

Good bloodflow is key to a healthy body. And when we're talking PE, blood is a major player in the game, we want the plumbing to be working smoothly. You may see that the post-pump effect longer if you don't wrap, but i don't think that's good for gains, if not hindering. The reason it's all swollen, it's cuz fluids are trapped, or still lingering around and not evenly distributed. If we wanted that, we could've easily put an elastic around the base and leave it on for days; end up with a purple dick that has to be surgically cut off for not having blood circulation. Having that post-pump effect longer is to say having fluids stall around for a longer period, while what we need is new fluids, oxigenated, nutrients-carrying fresh blood. There's nothing to draw from stale fluids.

Ever inflated a ballon and let the air out of it? The ballon gets limpy after that ordeal. Most of our body have a memory, it trys to heal itself back to what it used to look like so that it would function the same way. We don't want our dick to go back in time. A warm-down should allow the blood vessels to open up, instead of springing back to where they were. This anchors gains.

After jelqing/stretching, we get that hang-low look because we've lost some elasticity temporarily. Blood vessels do not conduct blood as efficiently. When we apply external pressure, it creates an unbalanced bloodflow, uneven filling of chambers means uneven gains. We all know things expand under heat. It allows for a temporary expansion in the entire penis (as i suppose we hot wrap the whole thing LOL). The heat will help expand the entire penis, opening up all chambers for blood to fill in, help evening out the irregularities.

sorry to have gone on and on about this, but ideas just kept popping up and i felt compelled to share LOL

[mpizzle]

Thanks for the replys guys.

Hey knicks there is just a few things in your post that I think may be little off.

When there is an increase in body temperature during a fever, this is due to an increase in circulating cytokines in the blood, due to an immune response. Thus, it is often a side-effect of the immune response. It is not a separate response that allows the immune system to work more aggressively (although possbily augments immune response - see following notes).

Having said that, often this increase in temperature will help to eliminate bactreria that have strict temperature requirements, which may be the ones inciting the immune response through infection in the first place. Thus, this fever response does have its place and some have postulated that it may in fact be an desired effect to help eliminate microbes.

In terms of wounds and so on healing faster under heat: heat is a side effect of the inflammatory and thus healing responses. Our bodies do not rebuild faster under heat. What occurs, is that inflammation is the local tissue response to cell damage, where blood flow to the area increases. (There are also other effects such as increased immune cell recruitment to the site of injury etc.)
This increase in blood flow that is meant to provide a means for increased numbers of immune cells and metabolic substrates to reach the site, results in the increase in heat (and redness).

Athletes generally put ice packs on injured muscles immediately after they have injured them to reduce the inflammatory response.

I have not written this to start a fight with you Knicks. I just thought it may prove to be useful information.

In terms of the warm down, as I wrote, I think it would definitely be better for preventing injury as opposed to just not warming down. This seems to be what those who have replied have confirmed.

In terms of the effect of the warm-down on gains, I suppose that would be difficult to quantify. Thus a recommendation on whether or not to warm down based on increasing/decreasing gains may prove to be difficult to come by.

In summary, it seems that a warm-down should definitely be performed, to prevent injury.

By the way, what did you guys think of the idea of alternating the cold and warm water?

I am interested in the warm-down with the rice sock. How much warming of the sock is required, and is this dangerous. The microwave isn't going to explode or the sock catch on fire are they?

[knicks]

no fights, agreed
hey, at least i know all that stuff i typed were read

mpizzle, as much as i see your standpoint, it represents the textbook point of view. I don't believe PE has been accepted by authorities in biologies and such, it's still viewed as an alternative branch of how our body works, same catagory as "holistic healing" if you will :)

Biology and theories have always been in debates, even things that we thought were right could be proven wrong now or later.

responding in particular to the athletes using ice packs, that's one of the most arguable cases. Ice packs have the immediate effect of controlling the swelling, basically not allowing our body to react to the damage caused. It's also notorious in causing later arthritis (sp?), but does the job to tie you over till the end of a tennis game. Looking at other medicine systems in the world, cold therapy is not always the go. Chinese medicine is a "branch" of medicine that has been around for a long time and been proven effective, arguably more beneficial in the long run, suggests heat therapy.

again, i have to stress that these are just ideas that i have; i do NOT intend to prove that a warm-down will indeed affect gains. And by no means do i hold a degree in medicine or even biology; just reading books here and there, I do not intend to experimently prove my theories LOL

Also, i have never mentioned recommanding warm-downs; only to state my beliefs. Hope this clarifies my posting.

as for the hot-cold-alternating warmdown... i thought it was established that the penis is NOT a muscle? when we're jelqing/stretch, we're not bodybuilding it... i don't see a direct correlation between the two.

[foolery]

I have been doing the exercises on and off for awhile and have gained .75 inches in length but seemingly nothing in girth...

I do not do a wake up cloth warm up, how much would this affect my gains? Would I need to do the exercises 5 times a week as opposed to two or three times?

I have done the supra slammer exercises as well but usually do not do more than 3 or 4 reps for that. It does seem to work because after there are red bumps and swelling.

Does anyone have some advice for large girth gains?

THANKS

[foolery]

What are the best girth exercises, and how often should I do them compared to doing the Supra Slammer?

[foolery]

damn......no advice at all

[turtle]

foolery
3/4 of an inch in length is decent, but girth is often a little harder to achieve. You said it yourself, you have not been dedicated and consistent in your workouts. Yes, you should be working out 5 days a week. You should be following a set routine that hits both length and girth. You talk about slammers. How about jelqs? You should be doing a minimum of 200 jelqs per day, before you even try any slammers. Look at the newbie section and some of the suggested exercises, and develop a routine that combines both length and girth. If you don't want to figure these things out, join penis health and follow their suggested routines. I really think that a planned approach like the ones offered in Penis Health would be exactly what you need to give you the motivation to approach this in a serious manner.
turtle

[bri4896]

Hey foolery, what is your length routine? I would really love to know, as I have been practically unable after 6 months to make any significant length gains. I would love to get .75" in gain! Thanks.

[quietstorm01]

Greetings Foolery,

I will be very very firm on this one because I experienced no gains at all unitl I really focused on my warm up/cool down. I'm sure it is possible for some to make gains without sufficiently warming up/cooling down but in my experience this was not the case. My first 2 months of pe i did not make a single gain both in length or girth. After re-evaluating my routine and consulting with one of the first guys ever to put out a honest detailed manual on PE, I found that although I was warming up and cooling down it was half assed and I just wanted to jump into excercises. I then tweeked my routine and really focused on a warm water cup warmup and cooldown for at least 10 sometimes 15 minutes each. Just before the end of month 4 I measured and I had gained just under a 1/4 in length and a little less than an 1/8 of an inch in girth. From then till now I have this as a staple of my routine regardless of the excercises. I have seen feedback witht he pics to prove it of some people gaining as much as 2 inches length in just over four months also I've heard it's even more important for girth gains and they attributed their huge gains largely to really focusing on their warm ups and cool downs and getting mentally dialed in for their work out. I find for my self when sufficiently warmed up I can get maxial blood flow and really work on feeling the excercise. I will add that there is a noticable difference visually, i'm talkin night and day, for me when I had only warmed up for 2-3 min as oppossed to 10 minutes in terms of the "pump" and engorment when working out. Bottom line is that if you are going to be doing PE excercises you might as well make sure you are doing them by the book to ensure your maximum chance for gains, other wise you willbe just wasting your time or settling for minimual success.

[bri4896]

How do you do the warm water cup warm up?

[quietstorm01]

Warm water cup warm ups and cool downs are done in the shower where you can take any cup, I use a 20 oz styrophone cup and as I am under the shower I fill the cup up with warm water and submerge both penis and testes in the cup so that they are completly surrounded witht the water. The rim of the cup pressed directly into me forms a nice vacum seal and I shake the cup lightly to get the warm wate circulating over my package. As the water cools I fill it up again with warm shower water. I honestly repeat this process for about 45sec - 1 min per cup before refilling and do it anywhere from 5-15 times depending on my workout and my schedule. It has worked well for me but I am also entertaing the idea of purchasing a heating pad as one of the mebers had suggested. if that works just as well then i will probably switch to that for convinience purposes.

[bri4896]

what happened to foolery's reply to my question?

[foolery]

sorry, I just got around to checking this again

today I made a ring of power and started working on 200 or so jelqs a day with warm up/down cloth which I submerge in hot water in the sink

for the length gains I already got, I basically just did random long schlong heli's about 10-15 times or so on random days, not really warming up so often

I also used pro solution pills for a while and stopped because I was wasting them when I wasnt exercising, I sitll have a bunch and have started using them again

I am not really planning on doing many stretches because I'd rather have girth increases now...I do believe Pro Solution Pills work well, as I gained about .5 inches in a month when I first started, barely ever exercising, and I am optimistic on the Ring of Power I just started using

[fberg]

hi i was wondering if you were to take a hot shower before doing the exercises and perhaps let the water run down on the penis for the 3 mins if that would be an alright substitute for teh warm-up cloth?

[ManOfPrinciples]

Hey fberg,

Yep, having hot water pour onto your crotch for a few minutes is a perfect substitute for a warm up cloth. In fact, it was how I used to warm up to PE before moving into a college dorm where the water doesn't get hot enough. Usually, I stay in there for a good 5 mins tho, I think 3 is a bit short.

If you havent heard yet, the rice sock is the other excellent way of doing warm ups, and is widely used. Basically, its a sock that you fill with some rice, microwave, and apply to the penis. It conserves heat well, and is clean and convenient.

Either way, your hot showers are perfectly fine.

Hope it helps,
ManofPrinciples

[turtle]

fberg
You can buy a microwave Heating pad. I use one that is called the Bed Buddy Back Wrap. It was purchased at a Walgreens for about $15. 2 min in the microwave and it holds heat for about 35 min. longer if you throw it under some blankets while you are doing your workout.
turtle

[billybob5]

Drug stores also carry Hot/Cold Gel Sacks for $3 or $4 that work well if you wrap the hot gelpak in a towel and apply. Gives about 10-15 minutes of heat.
BB

[Fou]

Yeah i know it's a stupid question and i already know the answer but i just want to be sure.

If you want me to reformulate:

I think the shower does the same effect as the warm up cloth, even better, no?

[DJ66]

Hello
I was wondering what effect the warm up and warm down does and also for instance i often do exercises in the morning when i first get up and im already pretty warm would i still need to warm up.

[hardin]

You should still do some kind of warm up even if you feel you 're already warmed up, mainly to prevent injury during your workout. I too usually do my workout in the mornings, usually I warm up manually do my workout then jump in the shower for the warm down.

[Jareth]

You should still do some kind of warm up even if you feel you 're already warmed up, mainly to prevent injury during your workout. I too usually do my workout in the mornings, usually I warm up manually do my workout then jump in the shower for the warm down.
Best way i found to do it was warming up with a hot shower. This works well and i do the stretching while iam in there i seem to beable to stretch the dick more.

[TylerDurden3]

Hey,
Alright, this is the first time I've ever posted but I've being doing PE for awhile. Beginning in August through mid December I gained about .75 inches in length and .25 inches in girth. Took a break, but now I've started up again.

My question is this though, I do my whole entire routine in the shower since it's one of the few places to actually get some privacy at college. I do the warmup by letting the water flow over it for about 5 min on HOT, and then do the exercises and then cool down by doing the same. Is this good or bad?

Other question: when it comes to stretching, I just can't seem to do it. I'm taking pro solution pills right now and it seems that whenever I go to stretch, 1 min into it I have a hard on. Should I be takin the pills before I work out, after, what?

Suggestions?

Thanks guys

[Night Spirit]

Let us know how those pills work for ya, I have read and heard about some bad stuff with them as in no refunds or what ever as with ever pill ya run a good risk im trying PotenCX and have a bad feeling. Anyway let us all know how those pills are working out for ya i may have to try them with the exercises when i get the time

[TylerDurden3]

Don't use em. I used them for about a month. Did the free thing, but since i didn't cancel the account I was credited 60 bucks without my knowledge. They also upset my stomach like hell. I've used pro solution pills before and thats when i made the most gains.

[Night Spirit]

You used PotenCX before and they did nothing for ya? I have used them about about a week and a day or 2 give or take. So far in this week i feel a much fuller erection of course no gains or anything but it has been a week and i also did just the trial,

So pro Solution pills work the best for you? Or you are sugestiing them. I wanted to try them but i read alot of bad stuff and they cost so dam much, what ya sugestioin

[Ergo]

nightstalker - I've been taking prosolution for about two weeks now along with doing 400 one handed dry jelqs around 5 days a week along with nine 30 second long schlongs

I tend to do the long schlongs before the dry jelqs because I find it easier to stretch while I'm not semi erect, plus it means I've got a decent bloodflow going for the jelqs (I tend to warm up with about 5 minutes under the shower)

so far I've not seen any size results but I have noticed it's fuller flaccid and erect, so I'm hoping that's a sign that I'll see size gains soon.

I think it's been mentioned before in the newbie forum aswell that pills and PE routines are hit and miss so try a variety of stuff and see what works best for you. You might want to check out the ring of power aswell, I'm looking to build myself a few soon.

[Momo]

I've been there before, and done all this stuff. You guys need to stop wasting water in the shower, and stop messing around with rice socks, and wet rags - and step up to the next level of warm-up/warm-down methods... ;)

http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jhtml?id=prod16156

Try this, and you'll never use anything else, and say "man, I wish I'd used this earlier".

[turtle]

I'll second Momo, I have used the bed buddy for over a year, and I have recommended it constantly. It works great youjust need a microwave when you workout.
turtle

[hardin]

yeah i had one of those for awhile, i didn't really care for the hot pack. The cold pack i did find useful though in toning up. I guess it's just a matter of personal preference.

[Momo]

A warning about wet rags, btw. I used to use the heat pack for warm ups, and then just use a hot wrap to warm down (no particular reason, really), but anyway, it only took me a couple of times (after getting mild BURNS on my glans -head- ), to realize that doing that wasn't a good idea.

After a thorough PE session, your dick is so used to the workout, that it becomes a little desensitized to temperature, especially if you've been using the heat pack. I just put a rag under some hot water when I was done, applied it, and thought everything was fine. The next day, my dick's head was so sensitive (even with some mildly visible burns), I couldn't even touch it. Not real sure how that happened - twice. I think it's just because you eventually lose touch with how hot things are, after some serious PE, and hot water gets a lot hotter than that heat pack does (well, maybe not if you leave it in the microwave for 10 min or something), but you know what I mean.

Screw those rags, they're dangerous. :eek:

[wohoo19m]

That must be some damn hot water...

[Momo]

The glans penis (head) is the first and easiest part of the body to burn due to hot water. When they turned on the hot tub for the first time (after it being out of service of several months), I went and got in it. Yeah, it definitely felt kinda hot. Turns out, it WAS too hot - they had to turn it down a notch. I felt Ok at the time, just seemed like a nice good sweat in a hot tub. Next day though, the skin on the head of my dick was REALLY sensitive (quite painful) - I couldn't have done PE if my life depended on it. Rest of me felt fine... but that part of the body is really sensitive to hot water.

...which is another reason, not to take chances with hot rags. It may not feel that hot at the time, but it doesn't take much to over-do it, and you'll be sorry the next day (possibly several days).

[shadow1]

i've been reading all the different ways to warm up and have tried the cloth and the infrared heat lamp and don't see any difference between the two.to me neither way works so my question is , i have been doing my warm ups by just getting an erection and keeping it up for 5 min. before i begin my exercises and it seems to work better (for me anyway) than the others. does anybody know if this is safe ? i haven't had any problems and seem to get a better pump than before thanks for any responses

[Vine]

Whatever works, I guess...If you prefer the erection method, that's probably fine. Personally, I'd find it to be a lot of work to stay hard that long, and then try to remain hard for girthwork. Certainly a 5 min. erection would be perfectly safe...You stay harder (hopefully) a lot longer than that for sex, right?

I'd still suggest something like the wakeup cloth though, because using this method properly requires that you massage your cock while warming it up. Massaging is important, so I'd try to find a way to do it during your warmups.

Do you not like the wakeup cloth because it doesn't feel like it's warming things up enough? I found that to be the case...the heat dissipates quickly. So I started dipping my dick into a large plastic cup with hot water. It stayed warmer a lot longer, but I wasn't really able to massage myself during it, so I gave it up. Plus, sometimes the water felt a little hot, and dipping the whole thing in made it hard to gauge whether or not I might be hurting (burning) myself.
That's why I just stick with the wakeup cloth.

Big Vine

[shadow1]

i figured it was probably alright but wanted to put it out there and see if anyone else had tried . i should have mention before thart i massage and lightly stretch before i start . i found that kneading my dick between my fingers (kinda like tenderizing a steak or something) really helps loosen up everything

[turtle]

Go to Walgreens and buy a product called the Bed Buddy Backwrap. It is a microwaveable heating pad. It only cost about $15.00 and it works great for warmup/down. Much better than hot water.
turtle

[BIGDICKJ]

Go to Walgreens and buy a product called the Bed Buddy Backwrap. It is a microwaveable heating pad. It only cost about $15.00 and it works great for warmup/down. Much better than hot water.
turtle

Thanks for the advice. I will try this one myself.

[BIGDICKJ]

I know I enjoy the wake better. It sort of gives a deep heating massage, which feels really great after PE. Just other day this chick came over after a hard workout of PE. and guess what she wanted to fuck. Afterwards I felt my dick was extremly exhausted. But after a 5 min wake cloth I felt ten times better.

One thing I must say I only been PEing for 3 weeks now but my dicks girth has expanded so rapidly I really feel the weight when it hangs. Ialmost need a sling for it. lol!

[badrass23]

what up again yall it's me. thanks to falcon for responding last time. i got my questions answered. but i'm coming at ya wit more.

1. what do you guys think about stretching in the shower. some long schlongs, power stretches, or even some tunics or dry jelqing. i been doing it for about a week and seems like good flaccid gains, but wanted more expert advice.

2. i got surgery coming up and won't be able to do PE for 2 weeks and then only lightly. 6 weeks before getting hardcore about it. when i come back from my MIA status should i start as a rookie or go where i left off.

thanks again folks.. peace out. keep the good shit coming. don't post your bullshit on i'm thinking of quitting. just quit then fool

[ChronDick]

Hey there badrass,

About the shower, that is where I first started PEing, privacy is an issue in my house and I would do the first part of my technique in the shower, which was warmup and stretching, I would then step out of the shower and jelq and then warmdown back in the shower.

As far as breaking from PE and then returning, you will want to slowly bring the intensity back to the level your at, if your dick is not conditioned and the intensity is too high you may risk injury and thats will slow down gains quicker than anything, when I took a few months off PE for a Thrombossed Vein I completly restarted my workout from scratch when I came back, statred back with stretches and jelqs, then slowly added more jelqs and eventually uli's after a few months, just remember you have the rest of your life to strive for those gains, whats the rush?

Good luck, and I hope your surgery goes well. :)

Chron

[aareaux]

Hey guys, I was just wondering if a warm bath would work as a warm up and a warm down. I read somewhere that sitting in a hottub would do the trick too but i just dont see how that would work as efficently as a warm cloth. Because it would get all the blood in your lower body flowing and not just on your penis. Does anyone think that if you only put a cloth on your penis for the warm up and warm down portion, as opposed to laying in a warm bath, would give you more of an increased blood flow? Thanks for the comments in advance.
~Areaux

[turtle]

The warm bath would work fine, but remember the warm up/warm down are seperated by however long your workout is. That could be a long time to keep the bath warm. Also if you wanted to do a split routine this would become a real pain as far as time consumption and your water bill. A hot wash cloth works fine and it's easy. A "Bed Buddy Back Wrap" is a microwave heating pad that is an excellent way to get your warm up/down accomplished.
turtle

[aareaux]

Thanks turtle, One more question. Can i get that microwave pad from pretty much anywhere that has stuff for muscle pain? The reason is because i find it hard to mix baby oil with water because it doesnt quite get the job done. If i could do my warm ups and warm downs "DRY" then i would have a problem with keeping it lubed. Thanks for the advice.
~Areaux

[turtle]

I bought my "Bed Buddy" at a Walgreens. I never tried any net source. You might check it out. If you find out a net source let us know.
turtle

[valent_UrLge]

Hello !!

one question...

at the end of the exercises....do i have to warm down??
what happens if i dont?

is there any other way of doing it besides the hot towel??

thanks....

[turtle]

Hello !!

one question...

at the end of the exercises....do i have to warm down??
Yes!
what happens if i dont?
Your results won't be as good!

is there any other way of doing it besides the hot towel??


Microwave heating pad
Electric heating pad
Hot shower or bath
Infrared light
Rice sock
thanks....
turtle

[Fraty]

What is the best methodos to warm up and warm down , i now use hot towel , also i dont know or the towel need to put also around testicles , i put towel only on my penis , also i think that with shower take in hands and pour water only on penis is best effect than hot towel because all time are hot water....

[Smoky]

I use an IR ceramic heat emitter to warm up... I have not noticed any difference in gains in between this and the hot towel wrap. And I always use a hot shower to warm down. Sometimes I add a stretch or two in the shower.

[ChronDick]

Hey guys, I use a normal heating pad that you can get just about any grocery store or walmart, its nice cause it will stay warm, I don't have to get the shrivel effect that water can sometimes give and its nice to keep on to get a mini-warmup between my girth and length excersizes.

Also I recommend checking out this thread, http://mens-network.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1060&highlight=tips+tricks it has many different warmup methods, a popular one is the rice in a sock, that you can microwave to heat. Check it out.

Chron

[turtle]

Try the "Bed Buddy Back Wrap" that is sold at various Drug Stores. I bought mine at a Walgreens. It's a microwave heating pad, and once heated the thing retains the heat for about 45 minutes. Provides a nice deep heating effect.
turtle

[falcon]

I made a rice sock (cost of an old sock and some white rice) for the warm up and just take a hot shower for warm down after PE.

Falcon

[Maximo]

I always warm up with really hot water ( not burn but pretty heat ), and last time i did my routine said myself what If I use natural term water ( nor hot neither cold, but getting close to cold than hot ) and I guess I got better results. It might sounds weird but my girth feels a lil bigger.
Any1 tried this and can explain ?

[Momo]

Water. Once you go heatpack - you never go back. I recommend the Bed-Buddy microwavable heatpack. Available at Walgreens, etc.

[brian]

hey guys,i thought off a new warm up last night what i did was fill up a hot water bottle with hot water and wrapped it around my member,the water was very hot but could tolerate it and was nice and red and warm after it,its not wet or messy and the bottle stays hot for ages,probly been done before but thought id share anyway.Just started pe 4 weeks ago.

STATS

BPEL 7"
EG 4.75"

[falcon]

Try using a rice sock. Nuke it for 1 minute and your good to go.

Falcon

[digitalninja42]

I have a question. I take really hot showers. Do I still need to warm up with the wash cloth even though i am taking a hot shower? (I'm talking really hot showers, like to the point that my back is red when i get out.) Technically wouldnt i be warming up the whole time i am in the shower?

[turtle]

If you spend three minutes with tht hot shower aimed at your penis then you should be OK, also you should be starting your routine immediately after you finish in the shower.
turtle

[digitalninja42]

so i shouldnt be doing my routine in the shower? i should be doing it after i get out of the shower.

The only problem is, I live with my g/f and that is the only time to do PE. (In the shower) Is this bad, will i still experience gains?

Thanks in advance.

[turtle]

Two reasons not to do it in the shower.
One: Your waterbill will be ridiculous, and it is not very ecology oriented.
Two: Trying to stretch when you are wet is difficult. Your stretching exercises work much better when you don't create slippage with all that water.
turtle

[FoolioDawg]

just about to ask this question, thanks for the advice.

[jb5k1]

Is PE'ing bad in the shower? I did it this morning and I thought it was kinda harder to stretch. Is that because I'm new and getting used to it but my penile structure is thickening? My erections have been harder if that has anything to do with it...

[turtle]

No! It was because your hands and penis were wet. Water causes slippage.
turtle

[ScottMN]

Is this any different than using lube though?

[turtle]

You don't use a lube to stretch.
turtle

[damonhill]

will the excersises be just as effective while done while having a bath, like the Jelq for example? thanks



This thread has been placed in the appropriate forum it belongs in. :rolleyes:

[jb5k1]

I've been meaning to ask the same question, just in the shower, not the actual bath tub.

It's the easiest way for me to have time for PE'ing in the morning

[rideout]

Thats Just fine alot of guys do it in the shower.As Long as u warm of and get the blood flowing

[jb5k1]

My grip is tight enough that my hands don't seem to slip. Does that mean I may be squeezing too hard?

[Momo]

Just so long as you aren't trying to pass Michael Schumacher in his bathtub, at a tight turn on a street circuit. ;)

[Smoky]

How important is it to warm up and warm down? Would my exercises not be as efficient or would I just be increasing my chance for an injury? Because on a rare occasion, I have to stop PE while a good bit into the routine and continue it later. I usually don't take the time to warm down and back up in between exercising either.

[penah]

don't know about the injuries, but not doing warm ups/downs will surely hurt your gains. warming increases bloodflow, and blood is what you need m8 :sm24

[yukeeduck]

hello

is it a good idea to do workout in bath ? it is a bit cold sitting on a chair for half an hour doing the pe & can't maintain erection . any advice ? :sm36

[Marco]

do it dude.

if you like it. Do it.

Just make shore you do it.

[turtle]

Another thought!
I think trying to do your routine in the bath creates problems. Water causes slippage and you are going to have a rough time with your stretch exercises. Girth work, the tub is fine. Maybe you want to think about a split routine, doing the stretch work at another time, or maybe you don't have a problem with slippage. If you don't seem to have a problem there is absolutely nothing wrong with working out in the bath. Just make sure that you are getting good stretch work.
turtle

[Beat_the_Myth]

Porn can keep your erection up if you have problems with that. But it you use the bath think about all that water you're using!

[yukeeduck]

thanks for your advice guys :sm27

[Grudge]

I could only imagine what was going through your mind after that chick said she wanted to screw you BIGDICKJ

"Fuck i just had to do my workout today and get it all tired, i hope it stays hard for long enough :P"

Something along those lines.....

[Andy@Lativio]

I would like comments for a new article I'm writting if possible about how important the warmup is, I believe its one of the most important elements but what do you think?

Thanks

[Neongene]

I do all my PEing While IN the shower. I have the water on pretty hot, i let my penis soak in the water, then I turn around and have the water hit my back. I do my stretches, while the heat from the steam and water are encapsualted in my shower. I then turn around and leave my penis in the water for about 2 mins as I massage it.

I'm testing to see how well this process works, so far i think its going great. I think keeping a heat source on or around your penis as your doing the excersises will greatly increase your gains. Although I'm just starting I'm confident it will work out great.

[Andy@Lativio]

fantastic comments, any other hints or tips?

[Neongene]

The added benefit is that you don't have to set aside a time, you can just do it in your morning or evening shower. So if you have no privacy other then the bathroom just do it in the shower and kill two birds with one stone.

Also if you need lube, just take some shampoo or conditioner and rub that all over the place. it works wonders for jelqing

[OYeahBaby]

i think it's really iomportant, first of all cause it gets your blood flowing down there and dick is kinda ready for the exercise. and what i've noticed, it relaxes your dick so nicely that it actually looks thicker after the warm up. and my guess is that it helps with a girth a bit as well.

[damonhill]

i find when i do a warm up not only is is good physically but it mentally gets me in the mood and after a warm up makes me more determined to have a good session

[wohoo19m]

Warm up is important because heat causes more blood to flow. So your dick will profit from having the best flow it can for the exercise. It should also relax the tissues IMO wich would give it extra elasticity. But that's just's theory.

[tommyg]

I would like comments for a new article I'm writting if possible about how important the warmup is, I believe its one of the most important elements but what do you think?

Thanks

I too believe that it is essential, just like weights, you need to stretch and warmup before you perform heavy weight training to minimise the chance of injury and get maximum gains.

When I started off I did not warmup and saw minimal gains, but when I started to warmup, the gains came quicker. It may have been coincidental but I believe if you put any part of your body through stress of any form, you need to prepare (it) for it.

tommyg

[Mr. Anonymous]

I think I'll post a dissenting opinion here.

I NEVER warm up in the traditional "put something warm on it" sense. For flaccid exercises, I usually just get myself aroused to the point where my soldier is pumped up right to the brink of standing at attention, since there really is no surer sign of blood flow.

I'll then proceed to do the exercises in that semi-aroused state, taking occasional breaks to get it back to that point.

I'm kinda an old fashioned fan of "shock therapy" and "keep the body guessing" schools of thought I guess.

[BrotherDave]

i use an infrared lamp for warmups and while I'm doing my excersises.

works wonders and it was only ten bucks :cool:

[john charles]

hey i work out at the gym a lot and i always warm up. a cool down? not really. i consider the walk back a cool down. so for the penis exercises, can't i just walk around for my cool down?

[Nobiggy]

hey i work out at the gym a lot and i always warm up. a cool down? not really. i consider the walk back a cool down. so for the penis exercises, can't i just walk around for my cool down?

All I have read cool down is just as important as the warm up. I use a heating pad allot of the time for both, warmup and warmdown. I really don't want to go through all of the work of PE and blow it by NOT warmming down :sm39 , maybe it won't blow it but I really don't want to take any chances. Hope this helps you.

Dennis

[trinifella1]

I know thread is kind of a waste but its just dat as soon as i finish doin my routine, i feel so good! A great sense of accomplishment. Sometimes i wonder if i'm doin da exercises with enough intensity cuz my penis doesnt feel anywhere close to tense or uncomfortable. But i kno dat at least im still doin sometin & gaining down dere!!! :)

[ISraDick]

It feels great after your penis being pumped like hell, especially after good warm down .
you realy feel that it helping.

[drakon86]

Hey,
This is a dumb question and I believe the answer is no but I want to be sure. Do I have to warm up before every exercise? Or do you just warm up before the whole session?

[turtle]

Your right, the answer is no. One warmup before the entire workout routine is all that is needed in terms of warmup.
turtle

[hawk]

I know just what you guys mean. After a really good workout is finished its just like getting back from a great workout at the gym. You feel like you have been totally productive and the pump is awesome.

[waytosmall]

I agree i only have been doing PE for a short time but it does feel great after evey session.

[drakon86]

Thanks, I thought so but everytime I did my exercises the page says to warm up as usual.

[waytosmall]

I also wondered this because my penis loses a fair bit of heat after each exercise and sometimes feels cold has anyone else had this problem? (If it even is one) would this affect my PE and if so how do I fix it?

[ScottMN]

If you're talking about directly after your exercises, yes I have experienced this and think it's completely normal

[cloudthinker]

I agree, i feel great after a good workout and i also enjoy the sense of self confidence i feel when i see my dick after a good workout. The boost to both my sense of how i appear and accomplishment motivate me to keep at it.

[BIGBEAR]

its ok to P.E. in the shower right? ... right?

[Dazzlingdaz3]

Yes mate, no probs at all, in fact the benefit is the ongoing warmth factor that makes the ligaments etc a lot more pliable....

Shower and PE away man!!! :)

Cheers
Daz

[falcon]

I do 2 minutes of helicoptors every time I get in the shower.

Falcon

[Jareth]

do all my stretchin in the shower, gives a better stretch and can stretch farther without any pain..

[BIGBEAR]

yeah so far it has seemed to work and you know whats crazy iv gained a almost a half an inch in girth and a almost a half in inch in length in a month. im pretty stoked and hopefully i can keep it up. i actually was stretching doing a jelq squeeze and i stretched while doing it. usually this works but i had a sharp pain and i stoped immediatley. hopefully tomorrow i can keep up with my PE and it wont hurt. i don't want to hurt myself that would suck dick ... no pun intended

[Dazzlingdaz3]

yeah so far it has seemed to work and you know whats crazy iv gained a almost a half an inch in girth and a almost a half in inch in length in a month. im pretty stoked and hopefully i can keep it up. i actually was stretching doing a jelq squeeze and i stretched while doing it. usually this works but i had a sharp pain and i stoped immediatley. hopefully tomorrow i can keep up with my PE and it wont hurt. i don't want to hurt myself that would suck dick ... no pun intended

Excellent gains man! Keep up the good work :D

Cheers
Daz

[falcon]

That's great news bigbear!
Sorry to read about your injury. Hope it's just a twitch and nothing else.

Falcon

[didher]

yea, the showers where its @

[Momo]

Warmth is essential to an effetive, safe PE workout. I've gotten to the point where if I can't get up to ideal body temp (not to mention warm temp on the penis via direct contact w/ these heatpacks I use), the I just don't really bother. You're only doing maintenance -at best- when you are forced to do a semi-conservative workout because you can't maintain warm temperatures.

When I first started PE, it only took me about 2 or 3 months to realize this, and for the longest time, I actually did do 90% of my PE workouts in a nice warm shower. Waste of water, though - considering the sheer time it takes. Then I discovered the microwavable heatpacks. Nowadays, like in winter, I turn up the heat, and sit right next to a vent, or fireplace, etc., stay nice and warm, and use the heatpack everynow and then to maintain the desired temp in the 'area of focus'. Not on the scrotum, though. No need to directly kill sperm unnecessarily. They're close enough they get warm enouh anyway. Then, always to finish, warm-down in a nice warm shower. Where I can get my grip again, and finish out w/ some more length work once again for just a bit, since the girth/engorgement routine is done.

And like Falcon mentioned, I also do a bunch of flacid pulls & tugs (long scholng, heli's - whatever you want to call them) -I use my own technique, and do several sets (adding up to maybe 2-3min at least) with every shower. Because that's just length work - which you can do practically anytime. Some people prefer to use hanging devices. I elect not to - therefore I really need to do this type of thing whenever I get a chance throughout the day, especially in the shower where it's nice and warm.

Warmth is essential. Everything has to be warm. The lube, even the pump cyclinder(s) I use for some workouts - I preheat it. Even once I'm all warmed up, and in the middle of a workout, if that cyldinder gets down to room temperature, it ticks me off, because my workout effectiveness is going down the tubes with the loss of temperature. I can see it, and feel it. The blood just isn't there as much, and I fell like I'm having to drag my tissues and vessels through a workout, when they don't really want to do it. It's when you're warm, and the blood is there fully engorged, and everything expands nicle and healthy-like... that's when you're in your "target building zone", like the fat burning zone w/ cardio.

So yeah, the shower is a good idea. For a full body warm-up (if necessary, if it's cold), and of course for the warm-down. But there are more efficient ways to do it, than to spend your whole entire workout in the shower. I for one, don't have a large enough hot water heater any more. :sm25

[didher]

the shower is a penis enlargers good friend :sm21

[Mase64]

ok question... what if i do all my stretching i nthe shower...and do my girht exercises later that night..reason being i have work at 6..or should i jsut do all stretches in the shower and leave me about half hour 45 min to so some girth..that is prob the right answer to my question hahaha

[Mase64]

nevermind i debated il ldo it after work maybe sometimes ill do it in teh SHwoer when i have time

[didher]

yea, u could do that

[Mase64]

kk niceee.......

[BIGBEAR]

i spend about 45 min each time i do PE and always in the shower. (2x a day) so an hour and a half. once in the morning and once at night. I do it til the water basically gets cold. So far it seems like its working great. In my first month iv gained a half an inch in flacid and maybe .25 when im hard. my girth has about a half inch also. Also i do need some new workouts for girth because it seems like im getting less blood in there lately. hopefully it never slows down.

- Big Bear

[turtle]

From an environmental point of view doing 90 minutes of PE with the shower going is an incrediable waste of water. In addition you have emptied your hot water heater twice. Last time I looked that's a fair bit of energy to heat up all that water. Also I don't think that you really get as good of a stretch because of the slippage caused by all that water. Your saying the results are good, and I'm suggesting they could have been better if you weren't doing your PE in the shower. All you really need is a warmup and warmdown. If you want constant heating then check out the post on using infrared light.
turtle

[mr_e_leet]

Hey, i live in a dorm and its hard to find time to do my PE while my roomates not around. Is it ok to do PE while in the shower? any advice?
thanks

[Marco]

he, this brings back memories... :o :o

I used to never find time too, so I thought the only way this is gonna be possible is if I can somehow ''fake'' everything in the bath and do it!
he, he,.. I would firstly slowly build up the amount of time it takes me to have a bath, I would go from 10 minutes to 30 minutes over time...

Then, I would get into the bath [when I'm realy gonna have a bath], a quickly [and I mean quickly] just have a bath which would take me about 5 minutes [Warm up ;) ]
and then I would use the other 25 minutes to Penis Enlarge!! HA! Those FOOLS!! They never knew!!

or, or I used to get up early before anyone,... and very slowly creep into the bathroom... he, he.... AND WORK THAT THING BABY!! WOW!! WOW!! By the time they get up - I would be done! HA!
or, if they did get up... it would always be like half way into my session... and I'd be like ''' :) sorry! I just got in here... and I'm just about to have.... a baaath....yeahhhh'' :sm29 :sm29

[BIGBEAR]

Ill give that a shot

- Big Bear

[BIGBEAR]

http://www.mens-network.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8470

Thread about Shower Stretching if youd like

- Big Bear

[Big Al]

Hey, i live in a dorm and its hard to find time to do my PE while my roomates not around. Is it ok to do PE while in the shower? any advice?
thanks


If that's the only place where you have privacy, then do it in the shower :) I don't see how being in the shower can hurt your gains, and if the water's warm, it may even help.

[Marco]

Hey, hey, hey... whats all this water waisting about man???
Just fill up the bath and stick your legs into it to keep your body warm while you PE man. And don't forget, you pay the water bill for that shit too!

[BIGBEAR]

don't remind me haha

- Big Bear

[n4te0ne]

i like to start my morning workout in the shower, just a few sets of 30 second stretches in the shower while the hott patch previously mentioned is in the microwave, or sometimes just a heating pad. i like the shower because some time's when you get that slip, caused by the oil in your skin, some soap and bam you got a good grip you can hold for 3 or 4 minutes with now trouble, this is my first post. cheers. :sm24

[mr_e_leet]

Thanks a lot guys!

[Work-N-It]

I have always taken long showers. It helps my back to have the hot water run on it. So naturally...since I'm standing there anyway...might as well do a 15 minute PE. It takes about 5 minutes to shampoo and soap. I put hair conditioner on my hair and use it also for the PE. At the end of the PE I rinse my hair and I'm done.

I have a removable shower head so it helps with some of the PE. Instead of a hot wrap I use the spray directly at max hot ( I have my water heater turned down so not to scald ) on the penis cupped in my other palm and I gently squeeze it to get the blood flowing. After about two minutes I put the temp back to a very warm temp and set it to massage for my back while I do the PE. At the end I do another Max Temp for a couple minutes and then a cold shock for about 30 seconds and back to Max Temp. After I turn the water off I massage to complete the PE.

[redeyes]

I sometimes PE in the shower and I was wondering, anyone still use lube like baby oil? I don't and I'm wondering if I should. Please let me know.

Redeyes

[cypherphx]

Recently I've been experimenting with keeping warm by sitting over my bed with a space heater in between my legs. If anyone has one of these, I recommend giving it a try for your next workout or warm up.

Plus it gets your room nice and toasty before bed ;)

[mmilosav]

Yes, loose feeling will make is more malleable and strechable, it will hang lower as mentioned, use the shower head to spray your region with warm water and the pressure of the water will also loosen up the area to be worked

[gtracerxx1]

is it a bad idea to stretch after a hot wrap for the cool down process? Like would it destroy the purpose in jelqing that whole time? thanks!

[biggerandbetter]

simple stretching is okay whenever you want, but if you're goin to stretch really hard, its better to warm down afterwards :)

[jsnprichard]

simple stretching is okay whenever you want, but if you're goin to stretch really hard, its better to warm down afterwards :)
How would you define really hard?Ive been trying to find out just how hard you are suppose to stretch.Is it the harder you stretch the more chances you will see some gain or is it just stretch it a little bit at a time and slowly but surely you will see some?

[gtracerxx1]

simple stretching is okay whenever you want, but if you're goin to stretch really hard, its better to warm down afterwards :)

Alright, thanks! This also answers my question; why do some people say they stretch whenever they get a chance, like when they go to the washroom. i never understood how this was possible without a got 5-10 min warmup. Thanks alot!

[pablo]

light stretches or ulis (grip and finger squeeze) whenever you can during the day is always good, and not necessariy needs a warm up/warm down. 2-3 quick stretches or a 5 minute squeeze during a work break or something is a good idea, but not if your just starting out. once youve been doing jelqs regularly for like 3-4 weeks, mid-routine minor stretches is a good thing

[gtracerxx1]

light stretches or ulis (grip and finger squeeze) whenever you can during the day is always good, and not necessariy needs a warm up/warm down. 2-3 quick stretches or a 5 minute squeeze during a work break or something is a good idea, but not if your just starting out. once youve been doing jelqs regularly for like 3-4 weeks, mid-routine minor stretches is a good thing

Alright, Thanks alot!

[austinchef06]

Most of the excersises say to sit straight up but most of my workouts i preform either in the shower or standing in the bathroom.Is this ok or do i have to sit down.
Ive been on for 20 days and do pretty light workouts 3 on 1 off pc 5min long 5min jelq 10 mins.So far flacid has definitly increased along with fullness/I hope im doing everything right, sure does feel right,happy gains to all.Any comments?:sm29

[Jareth]

Most of the excersises say to sit straight up but most of my workouts i preform either in the shower or standing in the bathroom.Is this ok or do i have to sit down.
Ive been on for 20 days and do pretty light workouts 3 on 1 off pc 5min long 5min jelq 10 mins.So far flacid has definitly increased along with fullness/I hope im doing everything right, sure does feel right,happy gains to all.Any comments?:sm29
When I first started I did all my exercises standing up. As I increased the time I began sitting down for my girth routine. I than do all my stretching following my girth in a nice hot shower. A hot shower will really loosen up the ligs, and stretch them to the max.

[biggerandbetter]

I do the same... sit down first for girth sessions, then stand up stretching in the shower. I don't think sitting or standing makes any difference except that you get tired standing, and its sometimes harder to get an erection that way. Overall it's up to you to decide how you PE, just do whats comfortable/convenient :)

[Supez1]

The only problem with the shower is you're in there wayyyyy too long. Or I am, and it really takes the energy out of me. And gets people wondering why I'm in there so long.

[Mase64]

i take a shower first...and do liek 1 length exercise i nthere and get out and do another length exercise..then after i do my girth routines

[BigTymer]

I usually do all of my PE in the shower too. But lately I have been thinking about the usage of hot water and being considerate about the other people in the house, now I decided to do all of my girth while "shittin" and stretch in the shower.

[Supez1]

I decided to do all of my girth while "shittin" and stretch in the shower.


LOL! That made my day. Everyone's going to wonder why your shitting so much. :sm29

[BigTymer]

LoL! Excuses are allowed more when shittin then when in the shower forever and a day.

[austinchef06]

Thanks for the very insightful input.This forum is pretty impressive. Ithink i'll stick with what works for know or until i come up with a better plan.

[Supez1]

LoL! Excuses are allowed more when shittin then when in the shower forever and a day.

Very true, but people are going to have to accept that some people shit more than others. :sm14

[mulisha_air2]

i have the same problem, its hard for me to be as dedicated as i'd like because others in the house keep asking why im in the shower for so long, and i also get a earfull about how much hot water im wasting, isn't there some way to do the exercises outside of the bathroom? maybe fill a thermos with hot water so you could warm up in your bedroom? post ideas

[Mase64]

hahaha well my mom asked me the other day steve u were inthe shower for a long time..i said i was shaving

[da_shine99]

Most of the excersises say to sit straight up but most of my workouts i preform either in the shower or standing in the bathroom.Is this ok or do i have to sit down.
Ive been on for 20 days and do pretty light workouts 3 on 1 off pc 5min long 5min jelq 10 mins.So far flacid has definitly increased along with fullness/I hope im doing everything right, sure does feel right,happy gains to all.Any comments?:sm29

Yes it is great idea. Why you are stretching, perhaps the hot water massages your penis at the same time and the heat will make your penis more flexible too.

[beanbuddy5]

Gentlemen,

A quick quetsion...

In the work routine for beginners for 20-25 mins, its mentioned that warm up is followed with long shlong, jelq, power strech , HM and then wakeup agn. Now in Jelq and power strech they mention that this exercise must be preceded by an appropriate warm up. So do we do wake up again before jelq and power strech even if we started the exercises with wake up?

Currently, after long shlong I directly go for jelq with a manual stimulation for semi erect penis.


Thanks,
Bean

[Dazzlingdaz3]

Gentlemen,

A quick quetsion...

In the work routine for beginners for 20-25 mins, its mentioned that warm up is followed with long shlong, jelq, power strech , HM and then wakeup agn. Now in Jelq and power strech they mention that this exercise must be preceded by an appropriate warm up. So do we do wake up again before jelq and power strech even if we started the exercises with wake up?

Currently, after long shlong I directly go for jelq with a manual stimulation for semi erect penis.


Thanks,
Bean

Hi Bean,
A good warmup should last long enough to accomplish all the stretching and jelqing exercises in each session, followed by the warm down. Depending on the room temperature (excessively cold) of where you are conducting your PE session, it may be beneficial to warm up again after completing the stretches and prior to jelqing.

Cheers
Daz

[beanbuddy5]

Thankyou Daz .

Also, could I have the name of some good lubes available and is there an alternative to the base hold for HM. I mean while milking back from head to base I cant go all the way because its restricted by my OK grip. (5"EL) hence I really dont have that much shaft size to work with for girth hence I wondering if I could use something itsead of finger grip at the base to restrict the flow.

I currently have to tilt my penis at an angle to milk backto base all the way due to less shaft size . I do 10 tilts right and 10 tilts left (dont desire a curve now) :) .

Regards,
Bean.

[BigTyme]

i am experiencing this same problem,

i am probably about 5"EL and i have to jelq at an angle in order to get the most out of it.

[Lorenzo_91]

Do you have a room you can lock yourself in? If so then buy the infrared light that has been talked about extensively in the inframax thread. That should take care of it. Then you can warm up and do PE in your private room. If people get in your case about what your doing locked in your room then tell them stop breathing down neck all the time. But for sure I agree that wasting water and taking absurldly long showers in a house with multiple occupants is not going to go unnoticed. Good luck.

[da_shine99]

I'm not so sure about the infrared light though because I heard that they can do a lot of skin damage if they are done for too long. If shower idea is not that good, then I suggest the frequent warming up with the hot cloth or something.

[Lorenzo_91]

Read the inframax thread. Infrared light causes no damage, it's actually quite the opposite. It's used for healing.

[da_shine99]

No you are wrong. It does cause damage if it is used prolong time.

[BigTyme]

how do you do an entire routine in the shower??

how do you go about jelqing and doing your girth work?

[da_shine99]

I'm sure that people shower everyday, right?
If not, then please do. J/K but really I think that people should shower everyday because of constant hygeine change. As you are doing the shower, you can do the PE workout and use the lube to do the jelqing for the girth. This will save time and it's like killing two birds with one stone.

[Big Al]

Mini warm ups

For multiple daily session training

Though not as thorough as a full warm up, mini warm ups can be used when time is a factor and/or you’re training several times a day (as you do for shock routines and mini-sessions. Basically, the way you do a mini warm up is to do a light version of the exercise that you’re going to perform. You’ll increase the intensity gradually every few reps until you’re doing the exercise at full strength. Alternate warm up repetitions with massage. It’s not a good idea to do this frequently. As a matter of fact, plan a full day of rest (if possible) after any day that you have to perform mini warm ups. You will likely be more sore than usual because of the lack of a thorough warm up.

[badrass23]

well it's damn hot today.... kinda a stupid question... but if it's already blazing outside and your dick is all warm is a warmup necessary??.. i just got outta the shower and it seems to do nothing and maybe even made it worst from water cooling on me...

[turtle]

Think about the fact that your body is natually 98.6 degrees. When we say a warmup were talking beyond the natural body temperature. I somehow doubt that it is that hot in S.Cal. Also, I think that a shower is a lousy place to warm up, it kind of limits you. Just use a wash cloth, and soak it with moderately hot water, 115 degrees or so, and then wrap it around. I would say that unless you live in Death Valley and it is 117 degrees outside then you should always use a warmup.
turtle

[Unprecedent3d]

a shower is a lousy way to warmup? why is that? you have constant hot water warming up your penis while you are showering, also when i shower warmup, i take the head nozzle off the grip so i can focus the spray directly onto my penis. its a really nice warmup to me, makes everything much more pliable afterwards.

[JRambo]

When I wake up in the morning, I always have a partial erection - sometimes a full erection. I generally do my jelqs right after waking because I dont need to do a warm up this way. Is this safe and effective?

[KingD757]

It is way dangerous to do any penile exercises without warming up. You can cause injury and damage to your penis very easily. It also increase the circulation, resulting in increased gain. Would you lift weights without warming up first? It's the same principle when it comes to any exercise that cause strain. If your going to workout in the morning,heat a wet rag up and warm up. It only takes an extra 4-5 min. to prevent damage and increase gains in your workout.

[Big Al]

When I wake up in the morning, I always have a partial erection - sometimes a full erection. I generally do my jelqs right after waking because I dont need to do a warm up this way. Is this safe and effective?

Erections do not equal warm ups! You NEED to do the traditional warm up before your PE sessions. Warm ups maximize gains as well reduce the chance of injury.

[Night Spirit]

Ok well I have started to do my morning exercises in the shower, 1 to save time cause i can do the warm up and warm down easily in there and might as well stay clean while i do it, Soo this is what I have noticed so far, I am on week 1 of doing shower routine and i have noticed nothing in fact i think my guy is hating it wont get up or stay up and sleeps to much

Now i have as well been doing them out of the shower and that is where i found my most gains to be

My question is to those who do shower or out which one do you find to be more effective

[Big Al]

Exercising in the shower wouldn't work if you're doing exercises that require lube. Also, a "shower warm up" isn't nearly as good as the localized warm up that you get from hot wrapping/soaking.

[Unprecedent3d]

yeah to be honest, i've been getting lazy and been doing them in the shower. i don't get nearly the intense stretches as i used to, so i feel like i'm wasting my psp. my hands keep slipping, which causes me to get irritated and quit on the session too early. today i did a full routine outside of the shower after a hot shower warmup only, and i felt like it was the best stretch routine i've had in a good while. i'd have to attribute the half-assed shower routines for that.

[Big Al]

yeah to be honest, i've been getting lazy and been doing them in the shower. i don't get nearly the intense stretches as i used to, so i feel like i'm wasting my psp. my hands keep slipping, which causes me to get irritated and quit on the session too early. today i did a full routine outside of the shower after a hot shower warmup only, and i felt like it was the best stretch routine i've had in a good while. i'd have to attribute the half-assed shower routines for that.

...Which is why I don't recommend working out in the shower :sm31

[gruvjedi]

Plus you're standing up instead of sitting down. I started PE in the shower for the same reasons you list and had no results for a couple of months. Then I switched to Cocoa Butter lotion in my comfy chair and started seeing a vast improvement. In fact, I had upped the intesitiy that I had to take a couple of weeks off due to minor injury!!!! It does make a difference. Do the rice sock for warm up and warm down. (search rice sock). It saves a lot of mess.

[Night Spirit]

For my warm up i just take a towel wet it with hot water hold it on my junk till it cools re wet again

and as far as sitting down, i dont know if that will make a diffrence but i am not doing shower sessions anymore

[Unprecedent3d]

i think by sitting you're firmly planting yourself so you create more resistance, hence a more intense stretch. unfortunately i don't have enough privacy outside of the bathroom to do manual p/e anymore. but its definitely a better way to exercise in my opinion, just a bit more inconvenient.

[badrass23]

the core body temp is 98.6 or very close to... the more superficial parts of the body are much less and actually in the 70s. i might try not doing a warmup after being in the sun..


also looking to buy the infrared lamp.. people seem to have gotten really solid gains using it for warmup and even during the routine. also much less time consuming and easier

[gstandup]

i use my tube method / suction and just wondered is there anything positive to having the penis suctioned causeing blood to stay in the penis and keep going back to refill the bottle for it to stay hot / warm.

[Vine]

Doing this prior to a workout and immediately following a workout would be beneficial as a warmup. I find your technique to work quite well---thanks again.

As for doing it for an extended period of time, I would think that it would be beneficial---particularly following a girth workout. Like you said, just keep refilling the bottle. The warm water and suction will help to keep your dick engorged with blood, which as you know is an important aspect involved in achieving PE gains.

I may end up trying this myself after my next girth workout.

Big Vine

[gstandup]

alright thanks alot for that feed.. im gonna continue doing this method..