Bit Frustrated...

[NyahKon]

I keep reading about people making these insane gains after such a short period of time... and here I am working my penis to death, 3on/1off/2on/1off, and hardly seeing a thing.
It has been a bit over 5 weeks now, but I haven't noticed much of anything. Maybe a tad bit of girth, but girth isn't my main concern right now. I want to increase my erection length! But my damn penis just doesn't want to stretch any longer that it already is I guess. I pull on the thing like a damn tug-of-war rope for a good 20-30 mins everytime I do PE, but it's a stubborn little bitch. Pull pull pull, but nothing. What should I do? I'm getting frustrated.

I'm only somewhere between 6"-6.3" NBPEL, and have a bit of a curve to the left... and it really hurts my confidence level. I want to straighten it out (and I try to by JELQing mostly w/ my right hand) and make it at least 7.5" NBPEL (preferably more), but neither one of these things is happening. I'm not seeing much straightening, nor am I seeing much/any length gains. And on top of it all, my erections are pretty weak (probably from such a tired penis).

I don't have exact measurements, because I can never have the same arousal level to get accurate ones... so I am just waiting until I hit certain marks (such as 6.5", 6.75", etc.) in order to see my progress. I know this isn't ideal, but it's what works for me.

I just relieved myself after three straight days of PE (today is a rest day), and I felt so damn small while doing so. I swear, it feels like it's shorter or something (though my erection wasn't at its max, either... because I couldn't get it to that point due to penis fatigue).

Grr. Sorry for the partial vent/etc, but I need some encouragement/advice... or something. :(

[White Angel]

NyahKon i completely understand how you feel, confidence is a big issue for me. I would recommend not loosing faith. 5 weeks is still a short period of time, it was several months before i started noticing differences.

people are different, some people see gains really quickly but then later they tend to slow down, others can take awhile longer to see results and then they will start to come faster.

What is your current routine? ill see if i can offer any suggestions to help with size gains

But please do not give up it can all take time and will be worth it

[Sed26]

Be sure you're not working too much or hard because that can slow gains rather than speed it up.

[NyahKon]

Thanks, White Angel... though if I had your measurements, I would be feeling pretty good I'd imagine!

My routine is as follows:
- 5 mins wake-up cloth.
- 20-30 mins stretching (time depends on if I get aroused at all during process and have to wait a min or two for it to subside). During this time, I do a variety of different length stretches. I do not have a set routine here. I do what is giving me a good stretch that day. But, usually, it consists of The Power Stretch a lot of times in all directions. While doing this, I try to do the downward stretch the most, as it seems to give me the biggest stretch workout. Often times I will hold it for up to a minute (or until my hand starts cramping). Also, I often do the stretch (described in the forum somewhere) where you put one of your legs on something (such as the edge of a bathtub) and stretch your penis back in the direction of the buttcrack/buttcheek that's on the same side of the leg you're lifting. Hope that makes sense. It gives a really good stretch.
- 20-30 mins girth workout. This usually consists of JELQing, 25 squeezes or so, and a couple of Mega Pumps. I should probably JELQ more than I do, but I find it kind of difficult.
- 5 mins wake-up cloth.

(I also do PC flexes throughout the day).

I don't have a rep amount for anything... I do what feels best each day (whatever feels it is working my penis best) and go by the clock, as I never want to take more than an hour to complete my entire workout.
I know most people say to go by rep amount, but I already spend long enough on my workout as it is. I have to make sure I don't spend more than an hour on PE each day, because I have a lot of other things to do/get done.

[White Angel]

I would recommend the following.

Once you get to the 6 week stage maybe do the exercises for 35-40 minutes.

Make sure you do the warm up routines.

I would make sure you check how to do each of the exercises in the members area

* The long schlong - 5 minutes

* The power stretch - 4 minutes

* Jelq - 8 minutes

* Horizontal Movement - 3 minutes

I would fully recommend sticking with this routine and then maybe looking into some intermediate exercises after another 4 weeks. If you have been doing the long schlong then maybe replace it with the Long Schlong Heli.

It is really important that you stick with a routine as this will help to condition your penis to start seeing size gains. Not sticking to a set routine can affect your size gains.

[White Angel]

NyahKon

Just a little extra, i didnt start of at these size's i have also worked hard to increase my size. Everyone has different reasons for enlargement, sure the length and girth would be nice for me (i wouldnt say no) but it is mainly about confidence. I lack alot of confidence when it comes to talking to women, if i know i have gained more down there then i might feel better talking to them :)

[NyahKon]

Understood. :)
...though, your signature says your 'starting' measurements are/were 8x6"

As for the workout you posted, thanks for the advice; however, I'm not a bit fan of the Horizontal Movement. It is hard for me to do. Though I still 'do' try and do it a bit each time, I like to do 25 Squeezes or so, as well as a couple Mega Pumps. They seem to really work my penis out good, and I've seen 'slight' girth increases (though, as stated earlier, girth isn't my main concern at this point).
Also, FYI, I didn't start doing the squeezes or mega pump until this last week or so... (I didn't jump in and start doing them 'right away' or anything)

Is that enough stretching? 9 minutes? And the only difference between The Long Schlong and The Power Stretch is that you flex the PC muscle for 5 seconds with The Power Stretch (after holding the stretch first), right? If so, why not just do The Power Stretch the entire time instead of The Long Schlong? I figure it provides a better stretch, and my PC mscle can always use the extra workout, right?

Not trying to be difficult--just trying to understand.
For some reason, I feel if I don't work my penis really hard (like I described in my workout earlier), I won't see any gains. Though this may not be true, I can't get past feeling this way for whatever reason. Perhaps it's because I've already been working so hard and haven't seen many gains, so I have a hard time seeing how reducing my workout can help. I guess less really is more, eh?

And how many JELQs should I be able to get done in those 8 minutes?
Should I be doing 3 second JELQs? 10 second JELQs?

[White Angel]

It is a good idea to do the Long schlong and the power stretch. You are looking for length the Long schlong is aimed at increasing length and the power stretch is designed to increase length and girth. You do not want to be over working yourself to much, do not over do it as you may over work the penis. Take it easy, dont stress and enjoy it.

With the Jelqs you want to be doing them for 10 seconds each for 8 minutes. I would recommend logging into the members area and look at the downloadable log book, this will help alot :)

[White Angel]

Just wondering as well what is the Mega Pump?

[NyahKon]

Well, guess I actually do do both the long schlong and the power stretch already. I kind of alternate as I go.
The mega pump can be found in the following thread, http://www.mens-network.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3463&highlight=ferrari
(the first one), or on the PenisHealth website.

How long should I hold each Long Schlong? I usually hold for 20-30 seconds when I stretch, and often times use both hands. Though, like I said before, I haven't seen a thing in length gains... so perhaps I need to do something different (or add something completely new altogether).

[White Angel]

I would say do them between 5-8 minutes doing 10 seconds in each direction.

Like i said above it is really important that you stick to a regular routine and then start to add in some of the intermediate exercises once you have been doing the beginner exercises for around 8-9 weeks

[Bobcat_748]

OK listen. You sound exactly like me. I thought I would never see any results, and have even questioned the effectiveness of the program on these forums. When I was doing the beginner routine, I didn't see anything. Nothing! Now, just over the past two weeks, I have definetely seen gains, and I am 100% certain that you will too. If you're like me, you will have to wait until you get passed the beginner exercises to see them. This does not mean that you should rush it, I mean stay on the beginner program for 6-8 weeks. I did it for a full two months.

But I bet when you start doing the Long Shlong Helis, and extend the time of your Power Stretches (by the way, your dick will get even more worn out than it did when you first started :eek:), it will not be long before you see gains. I just remeasured after reading your post, and not even a full erection now comes to over 6.5" for me (I'm not going to officially record this until January). Believe me. You have the exact same mind set that I did, and if it works for me, it will work for you, too.

I also know that it seems to you like you are using an adequate intensity level now, and you probably are for 5 weeks in, especially if you are using two hands and all. But when you start doing the helis, try to take your intensity level even higher, still using both hands, as with the Power Stretches, holding both for 30 seconds instead of 20. This may mean doing a rep or so less, because it will take more time for you to do them (I just had to knock a couple of reps of each off my routine this week because my cock couldn't take it). This sounds weird coming from someone like me, but you really do have to be patient, and once you work your way into the intermediate routines and crank up your intensity level, I bet money that you will see gains--you name the amount!!!

[Bobcat_748]

When I was doing the beginner routine, I didn't see anything. Nothing!


This would not be an accurate statement--I have seen girth gains. I have just fucked up my sig so bad that I can't really tell how much they have been :rolleyes: When your dick feels thicker to the touch on your days off, that's girth gains.

[Bobcat_748]

It is a good idea to do the Long schlong and the power stretch. You are looking for length the Long schlong is aimed at increasing length and the power stretch is designed to increase length and girth. You do not want to be over working yourself to much, do not over do it as you may over work the penis. Take it easy, dont stress and enjoy it.

With the Jelqs you want to be doing them for 10 seconds each for 8 minutes. I would recommend logging into the members area and look at the downloadable log book, this will help alot :)


Please don't take what I say as the gospel, but I really think that in a couple of weeks, you can drop the Long Schlong from your routine. There really would be no sense in doing LS, Helis, and PS. I think you will find that 16-20 intense helis with both hands, and 3 reps of 30 sec. Power Stretches in all 5 directions (total of 15 reps) with flexing your PC for the last 10 seconds and using both hands will be pleeeeenty of stretching! And I would wait a full 2 months into the program before cranking it up to this level. And if that doesn't work for you, I'm sure you will eventually find a routine that will. YOu need to understand that this, coming from me, is quite a testament to the program, LOL!

[NyahKon]

I've already been doing LS Helis and whatnot, but The Power Stretch has given me better stretches, so I do it most often.
Also, my intensity is already really high--I don't think I can pull much harder.

As you'll see from my posts, most of my exercises are past the beginner level already... so I can either stick with the exercises I'm doing for now (but maybe adjust the workout/reps a bit), move to more advanced ones (which wouldn't be a good idea, obviously), or go to some easier exercises for a while (which I'm not sure about... because going back to easier exercises at this point would feel kind of awkward).

But yeah, it's nice to hear things are changing for you finally and that you're seeing some progress. I really stretch my dick to the max and it just isn't wanting to increase in length... and it's frustrating, as you know.

[Bobcat_748]

I've already been doing LS Helis and whatnot, but The Power Stretch has given me better stretches, so I do it most often.
Also, my intensity is already really high--I don't think I can pull much harder.

As you'll see from my posts, most of my exercises are past the beginner level already... so I can either stick with the exercises I'm doing for now (but maybe adjust the workout/reps a bit), move to more advanced ones (which wouldn't be a good idea, obviously), or go to some easier exercises for a while (which I'm not sure about... because going back to easier exercises at this point would feel kind of awkward).

But yeah, it's nice to hear things are changing for you finally and that you're seeing some progress. I really stretch my dick to the max and it just isn't wanting to increase in length... and it's frustrating, as you know.

Wow! That is intense for being 5 weeks in! Well as far as your routine, I obviously could not make any recommendations there, if you are doing all of that. But, part of what got me suspicious about the program was all of these posts regarding gains within a few weeks, and that just doesn't sound right to me! I'm not saying that they don't happen that fast, but if you were on here talking about gains within 5 weeks, I would be thinking Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

I'm sure that you just need to be more patient, which again, sounds really strange coming from me (if you only knew me, LOL!).

[NyahKon]

part of what got me suspicious about the program was all of these posts regarding gains within a few weeks, and that just doesn't sound right to me!
Yeah, exactly. That's how I feel every time I see those kinds of posts. They makes me cringe.

But I appreciate the encouragement and reassurance--thanks. I hope you're right.

In the meantime, if anyone else has any advice on anything in this thread, or about my workout/etc... feel more than free to give it.

[Bobcat_748]

Like i said above it is really important that you stick to a regular routine and then start to add in some of the intermediate exercises once you have been doing the beginner exercises for around 8-9 weeks

I would second this advice!

[NyahKon]

That still doesn't really help me I'm afraid (in terms of a routine).
I have a routine that I've been sticking to, but I need to understand why it's not good enough (if that's indeed the case) and what makes the other suggestions/easier workouts better. I personally don't feel I am doing anything too advanced, but at the same time, I'm not seeing much (if any) progress yet and don't understand why... which is what I was hoping to get some help with. ;)
(Unless it's just a case of waiting longer to see results... but if that's true, how much longer are we talking? I feel like I should be seeing 'some' additional length by this point, and can only hope it kicks in after a couple of months like it did for you, Bobcat_748).

Yes, I saw the easier routine suggestion, but I'm uncomfortable going to a lower level workout at this point.
It seems I'm not getting across the fact that I'm already doing a lot of the intermediate exercises (the power stretch, the long schlong heli, etc.), and have been for quite some time. And recently, as stated earlier, I've started doing a small amount of squeezes and a couple of mega pumps every workout.
...yet I keep being told to 'go to the intermediate exercises in another few weeks'. Did you not read what I wrote? :P

If I go to that suggested 'easy routine', I'll feel like I'm going backwards--not forward.

[Bobcat_748]

I see your point. I don't think you're doing anything really all that advanced anyway, except for the girthwork that you spoke of. If yuo're not overdoing it (which you would know if you are), then the only answer would be that it will just take more time. That said, I would think that you should somehow be able to increase intensity once again in about 3-4 more weeks, to stay consistent with some kind of progression pattern, which I would think would be necessary to continue (or in your case, see initial) gains.

But again, like I said, if you are using too much intensity now, it would be hard to increase it later, in which case, you should definitely change something (i.e., go back to more beginner exercises for just a couple of weeks). The bottom line is, yes, it will take time, as I have just learned, and it cannot be rushed extensively, because your body will not be conditioned for it.

Read turtle's post, "Lose the Minutes, Think Reps and Seconds", if you are not already doing your routine this way. It's important that you do the same amount of reps each time until you advance your routine or increase your exercise time.

[eric eiffel]

This is my first time posting on here, but I just wanted to respond to this thread. Nyahkon, I kind of went through a similar thing when I began with PH. I ended up abandoning the program after just a couple of months (in my case, there were gains, but they were minimal and just I lost my commitment) and I finally decided to give it another shot last September. Since then I've seen big gains in length and girth (about an inch in length and half and inch in girth in only 3 months)

One of the differences between my routines then and now is that I'm less concerned with doing "advanced" excercises now. Just because an excercise is called a "beginner's" excercise that doesn't mean that it's any less effective than an "intermediate" or "advanced" one, so don't think of going back to a beginner's routine as moving backwards. A simple excercise might just work better for you. So my recommendation is that you design a simple routine and stick to it. Use excercises that you're familiar with and excercises that you can enjoy doing. Go by reps, not minutes. You shouldn't be concerned with how long a workout runs, but if you just don't have the time, cut some reps by half. I do this some days when I don't have much time, and I swear that sometimes doing less excercises feels like a better workout. If you introduce a new excercise into your routine, keep doing it for a couple of weeks, because if you keep switching excercises you might never get a feel for them or find one that works for you in the long run.

As far as fatigue goes, at some point I began getting harder erections, and I can only attribute that to PH. When the bloodflow improves, the excercises also become easier to perform. Simplifying your workout might alleviate the stress on your penis and allow you to achieve harder erections.

Anyway, those are the changes that I made. I'm not saying you have to do this, but it worked for me and maybe it might work for you.

Good luck!

[anth1225]

That is the crux of the whole situation eric.

Doing advanced or intermediate exercises when your just starting will not increase your gains but decrease them as you are not ready to do them.

As Turtle says slow and steady wins the rest

But impatience will not only lose the race it will make you drop out of it altogether.

My fastest gains were on the beginners routines. Then when they stopped I advanced on up gradually.

There is alot to be said for listening to those who have traveled down the road ahead of you and have plotted a good map for you to follow.

It's kind of stupid to ignore the map and take a "shortcut", there are reasons routes are laid out ahead of time.

This site has readily available exercise routines for all to see with help from alot of the vets here. Follow them diligently to avoid problems.

anth

[Jukebox]

Hi Eric,
Congrats on your gains. Could I ask, do you just do the PH manual exercies or do you use these in addition to the SizeGenetics device ?

Thanks

[NyahKon]

Thanks for the additional posts everyone. Much appreciated!

Just to note, though... I'm not purposely trying to rush into stuff that's too advanced for me/etc... I'm just trying to do what I feel is giving me the best workout/stretch/intensity. However, it seems the overwhelming majority of you are suggesting I stick with the really basic stuff for a bit longer... so I ask you:
-Since I've already gone a bit forward with my exercises, will going back back at this point hurt any potential gains that may be just around the corner? I don't have a problem with letting up for a while and seeing how things go, but I worry about it due to the level of the exercises I'm already doing at the moment. I would hate to see some gains that are really close to happening end up NOT happening due to letting up.
I just want to be certain that I don't hurt any potential progress I've already made.

Cheers.

[Bobcat_748]

Thanks for the additional posts everyone. Much appreciated!

-Since I've already gone a bit forward with my exercises, will going back back at this point hurt any potential gains that may be just around the corner? I don't have a problem with letting up for a while and seeing how things go, but I worry about it due to the level of the exercises I'm already doing at the moment. I would hate to see some gains that are really close to happening end up NOT happening due to letting up.
I just want to be certain that I don't hurt any potential progress I've already made.

Cheers.

Again, do not take my word as gospel, but, it would certainly seem that it would do just the opposite to me. I would think letting up on the intensity and giving your little fella a chance to recover, then cranking it back up again in 3-4 weeks would be beneficial, not detrimental to gains. That way your not doing too much all at once. You will probably see more gains in a few weeks than you would a short time from now, if indeed gains are just around the corner. Remember, we are only talking about a few weeks here.

I can also tell you that if I was doing the workout that I'm doing now at 5 weeks in, I probably would have had to take a break, quit altogether, or go back to beginner exercises! I think that if you start doing the same amount of reps everyday, say, 5 Long Shlong X 5 directions X 20 sec/rep + 3-4 Power Stretch X 5 directions X 20 sec/rep, 5 sec. PC clench, and concentrate on a high intensity level, and do this for a couple of more weeks, then do the same thing with the helis and the PowerStretches, converting time to reps, you may find that you get just as good, if not a better workout anyway. And from here on, concentrate on following the progressions sequences as laid out at PH to the best of your ability.

Just my 2 cents.

[eric eiffel]

I don't use any devices, just the excercises in PH and some described here in the forum.

As far as going back to basic excercises, it's not going to hurt your progress. Whatever gains you have around the corner will still be there. Sure, it might take a little longer but you'll get them. But I think it's important to really get a feel for the basic excercises, make the most of them. This might require you to tweak your movements or learn how to control bloodflow to increase pressure for certain excercises. You have to feel it out, and then you'll find what works.

That's my advice. And now if you'll excuse me I have some Saturday night drinking to get to.

[Dazzlingdaz3]

Hi NyahKon,

I have been reading your thread and the first thing that hits me is your impatience. Mate , its only been 5 weeks........... Now, I can already see your logic, (which is false) "I shortcut the program, go straight for the intermediate advanced stuff double the reps and get my gains quickly."

:D Do you really think PH would recommend going through "unnecessary guff" if that were the case?

Your gains are coming...... If you dont want to back off on your exercise rotine, fine..... but bear in mind that NOT following PH to the letter, voids the refund guarantee.

Keep going, I would be surprised if you are not posting your gains within the next 4 weeks. ;)

Cheers
Dazz

[NyahKon]

I'm not worried about a refund--only results! :)

I really don't intend to come across as sounding impatient, and am sorry if that's the way it seems.
It's more along the lines of me just wanting to make sure I am doing everything right, because reading some of the success stories of people making gains in only 2-3 weeks is discouraging and makes me doubt what I'm doing at times.
Surely you can understand where I'm coming from with that.

Also, it's not so much me trying to shortcut the program as it is me trying to do what I feel gives my penis the best workout possible.
However, I can see now that that may not have been the best approach, and I will adjust accordingly.

Anyway, as I said before, I appreciate all of the good advice.
It's time to start working out in a bit here, so I'll let up a tad and see how it goes.

[Dazzlingdaz3]

Please dont fall into the trap of believing some of these miracle gains, I dout that the majority of them are on the level and having said that, these "successful;" guys never hang around long enough to share their "secrets"

You want good advice and a realistic outlook, then check out the progress threads of the vets and their ongoing contributions. These are more in touch with reality. :)

Cheers
Dazz

[NyahKon]

Yeah, that's true.
Good points. :P

Anyway, I did my workout tonight and still found myself overworking things a bit (though I 'did' attempt to slow things down). So... I guess it's just going to take a bit to adjust things to where they need to be. The PE routine I have at the moment is more habit than anything.

[Bobcat_748]

It's more along the lines of me just wanting to make sure I am doing everything right, because reading some of the success stories of people making gains in only 2-3 weeks is discouraging and makes me doubt what I'm doing at times.



Hey NyahKon, so our penises are not made of play do! Be glad, right? (Just a dumb joke).

[Bobcat_748]

Hey NyahKon, so our penises are not made of play do! Be glad, right? (Just a dumb joke).

Play doe? Play dough? Whatever.

[NyahKon]

Ha, true that. :sm14

By the way, is it better to do long, 8-10 second JELQs...
...or shorter, 2-4 second JELQs?
Is there somewhere that can tell me about the main differences in results I'll see from doing one over the other? Or can someone just tell me real quick?

I'm extremely tired and slightly buzzed... and about to pass out... so I don't really have it in me to do a long search. Nor is there any need to make a new topic for it.

[Bobcat_748]

http://www.mens-network.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14082

There. Read that.

I might add that I just cut back 100 jelqs today, and tried to do them slower. But I certainly aint one of these iron-dick mofos that can hold an erection for 10 seconds and do like 20 jelqs in a row! Hell, I'm doing 200 of them. If I did them for 10 seconds, it would take me over a half hour just to do them, and that's not counting erection renewal time :eek:

But, I guess the right answer would be, we should try to do them as slow as possible, and hopefully it will help to train those of us who have a problem holding an erection that long to be able to do it. I would think that the exercise would be more intense this way, thus, you would not need to do as many reps. Right now, I'm doing 200 jelqs at roughly 3 seconds per jelq and counting it as 10 minutes, not counting erection renewal time, etc. This way seems to be popular with most guys starting out, and probably a lot of guys who have been doing this for a long time.

[NyahKon]

Well, here it is almost a month later and I am still feeling rather frustrated. I've remained extremely dedicated to the program since November 7th, 2006 and still am not really seeing any gains whatsoever. If there have been any, they've been 'so' minimal that they aren't even worth mentioning.

I'm beginning to become a doubter that PE even works. Though that's not what I want the case to be, my lack of results sure are making a strong case for that to be the truth (in my situation, anyway).

Maybe the problem is that I still don't have 'exact' length measurements to go by. Instead, I just know 'about' where I started, and each time I measure I am still in that 'about' range. Hence, I haven't gained anything worth noting.
I 'have' measured my girth, however, and know for a fact it hasn't really increased.

Ugh, so frustrating. I should change my topic title from 'bit' to 'extremely'.

[Bobcat_748]

Looks like you and I both did basically the same thing with our starting lengths. The way I see it, I wouldn't worry about petty gains, either. You got into this to see some decent gains, just like everyone else, and so did I.

For the record, I found that my recent gains were not as much as I had originally thought, because I have a relatively huge variation in size from top to side BPEL, and had apparently measured too far over to the side. Now, I'm really not 100% sure that I have even seen any length gains, because I also take those pills and do PC flexes, which could be making for a little bit better erections. Either way, I wouldn't have paid for these pills ($300+ :eek: ) if I knew for certain that this is all of the length I will ever get from the program--it would be a big waste of money, time and energy, and I think anyone would agree. Dont get me wrong, I actually think the pills work pretty well for what they are supposed to do, but I still wouldn't have paid that much for them just for those effects, alone.

That said, I think that the $50 that we spent for just the Penishealth program, itself, is nothing to worry about--hell, it's only $50, right? So, the way I have decided to approach this from now on is like this: you never know for sure if some decent gains might be around the corner, perhaps when you change your routine up again, or whatever it takes to trigger them. Why not try to get in a state of mind where it is enjoyable to do PE (you get to keep looking at pictures of your favorite actress, playboy model, thinking of your girlfriend or wife in that lingerie, etc., etc., etc.) and just give it some more time? I'm going on 4 months now, and have yet to see very much, except for some girth :sm26, but I'm not going to give up--maybe I'm just an exceptionally hard gainer. Hang in there, with me, man ;) It's too soon to give up yet. Just think, you could be like me and be out the $300 for the darn pills!

[NyahKon]

Thanks for the response, Bobcat_748.
I'm sorry to hear you haven't had much luck with things, either. It's good to know I'm the only one, though by no means do I not wish for your success.

Yes, I'm glad I didn't buy the pills. And the $50 I spent toward Penis Health doesn't bother me a bit... I just want results! It would really boost by confidence to add another inch in length and .5 in girth. Or even more! But it's just not happening...

Of course I won't stop or give up PE yet, but it would be nice if I could start seeing some changes soon. It's just not happening! And every time I read about someone else gaining half an inch or more in just a month of work it makes me sick. I'm doing everything right but to no avail.

Anyway, yeah, I'll keep hoping for best.
Let's both get some results soon, eh?

[Dazzlingdaz3]

Looks like you and I both did basically the same thing with our starting lengths. The way I see it, I wouldn't worry about petty gains, either. You got into this to see some decent gains, just like everyone else, and so did I.



Hey guys,
This is a very common mistake and this is why we push that measuring start stats is so important. I know how disheartening it can be not to see gains, especially now that they have slowed down to a crawl for me, BUT........ because I have measured correctly, I can identify the smalest gains and it is this that keeps me motivated!!

Keep plugging along guys, keep up the schedule, keep up the intensity levels and stay motivated. Take your last measurements and record them and do not measure for another month. I am sure that your gains are just around the corner ;)

Cheers
Dazz

[NyahKon]

Just isn't happening for me.
Beginning to feel like everyone on this site that has claimed to gain is lying.
...obviously I know that's not the case, but it sure feels like it.

I may have gained a tad, but it's so little that things seem pointless. My length gains have been very minimal, and my girth gains only seem to happen at the base. Why is that? I focus plenty of my girth exercises toward the mid and top areas of my penis, but it doesn't seem to matter.

Oh well. I'll keep at it and hope for a change.
I've recently started eating better and exercising a bit, so hopefully that will help things as well. Not to mention my multivitamins, fish oil, etc. Also, I just started taking l-arginine a few days ago and already notice stronger erections (which had been a problem for me during PE)... but it could also be due to the aforementioned changes I've been making.

-_-

Lastly, is it normal for the skin before the head of my penis to be lighter in color than the mid-shaft and base (mostly when limp)? It never used to be this way, but I can see a clear difference now when limp... almost as if it's the portion of my penis that has grown or been stretched. But I don't think that's the case, because as I've stated, my gains have been so very minimal.

[Dazzlingdaz3]

Hey buddy,
Dont lose the plot yet. It is obvious that you are a hard gainer. My belief is that hard gainers get all their gains from the tunica, as it would appear that they do not enjoy the faster and easier gains afforded by stretching out tight ligs. I can relate to your commends about the top half of the shaft appearing lighter in colour and would suggest that this is a result of the stretching grip used. I have this same situation, although it sems to have become more apparent through extender use and the small gains I have had since including that in my PE routine.

I think you are on the verge of meaningful gains still, from what I can judge by reading your first post, you have been Peing since around mid November, so approx 2.5 mths. You mention that you have gained, albeit minimally, so there is no question that it is working for you. You just need to acknowledge now, that it would appear you are not going to get miraculous "overnight" gains like some, but, you are on the steady road to success.

I can only offer my encouragement to stay motivated, continue the journey and hopefully sometime soon, you will be able to thank us all for keeping you on track :)

Cheers
Dazz

[Vine]

And remember, visualization is key.
On every single jelq rep...every single stretch...you must focus on picturing in your mind the engorgement of your penis and the lengthening of its ligaments.

This won't result in any overnight miracles, but it will focus your concentration on what matters most for gains, rather than on being discouraged.

Vine

[NyahKon]

Well, I appreciate the encouragement. However, I said minimal gains if any. It's hard to say for sure. I may have gotten just a tad in length (key word being tad), and a little bit of girth at the base of my penis... but I am not certain. If I 'have' gained a little girth at the base, I sure haven't gained any girth elsewhere. Any reason why? I do plenty of exercises that work every part of the penis, so you'd think I would see improvement all throughout...

[dn12101]

This would not be an accurate statement--I have seen girth gains. I have just fucked up my sig so bad that I can't really tell how much they have been :rolleyes: When your dick feels thicker to the touch on your days off, that's girth gains. when your dick feels like that jark off and that will fix it LOL HAHAHHAHAAHAHAH:sm29

[Bobcat_748]

when your dick feels like that jark off and that will fix it LOL HAHAHHAHAAHAHAH:sm29

Which is exactly why I don't.

[Dazzlingdaz3]

Well, I appreciate the encouragement. However, I said minimal gains if any. It's hard to say for sure. I may have gotten just a tad in length (key word being tad), and a little bit of girth at the base of my penis... but I am not certain. ...

And my dear friend,
This reiterates the problem that you have set yourself up for, by not measuring correctly in the first place. You assumed that using your eye and ball park measurements would suffice, but now , you are unable to confirm or deny that you have gained, due to this.

Well, like I have mentioned many times previously in the forums, If you are using correct levels of intensity, are religiously doing the days on and off as recommended, your routine is aligned closely with PH recommendations, you are progressing your workouts as recommended and you have a positive outlook, then it is a reasonable and average expectation to gain 1" in length and 0.25" - 0.5" girth in approx 4 months.

Again, in your case, it appears that you are a hard gainer, your gains must come from your tunica only and this will be a slow and frustrating journey until you can be sure you have gained. It is ultimately your decision whether you think it is worth it, but surely the gains that you think you have seen must act as some form of encouragement to continue? So waht if it takes you 2 yearss to gain 1" all round? How old are you? PE is not that big a deal once you get used to it and its a part of your life. It is still a daily part of my life and my gains have been at a crawl for the last 18 months or so. It doesnt matter to me, I know I am steadily working toward my ultimate goal ;)

Cheers
Dazz

[NyahKon]

I agree with most of what you said, and have been thinking about the "it is ultimately your decision whether you think it is worth it" part... and am afraid to say that I'm starting to think it's not.
Though I didn't measure my length to begin with, I did measure my girth... and I haven't seen any increase in it whatsoever. Perhaps my base is a bit bigger, but the rest of my penis has remain unchanged (even though I've done plenty of exercises based toward it).

Sure, maybe I'm just a hard gainer, but... for me, it isn't that easy to make the exercises a part of my daily life. I have to set aside a good 45 mins or more of time in order to get a good workout, no matter what I do. It takes me 3-5 mins to warmup, about 10-12 mins to do my stretches, about 5-10 mins of JELQs, 5-10 mins of squeezes/ferrari stuff/etc, 10 mins of clamping, and 3 mins to cooldown. In another two weeks I still be moving to a new location and starting a new job/etc, and will be very busy from now on. Finding the time to PE will be difficult.
...though I'm sure I will still do some form of it from time to time, it likely won't be near enough.

Will keep you posted (or try to, anyway).

(I am 22).

[Dazzlingdaz3]

Again, I understand your frustration with being a slow gainer and having to make a decision whether you think PE is worth it.

I can only say this much, You are 22yo now. If it did take 2 years to gain 1", you could be sitting back at 24 thinking "allight"! If you give up now, in 2 years you will still be the same size and wondering whether you could have been bigger..............

I was fortunate, I am an average gainer and have enjoyed my "quick gains" Now that my gains have slowed to a crawl, I still keep PEeing because I am sure that in 12 months, I am still going to be bigger than what I am now, even if by 1/8". I enjoy PEing so that makes it easier. I am around 0.5" away from my ultimate goal in both length and girth and I am 40yo. It doesnt worry me if I reach my goal at 45 or whatever.

Yeah, I know that it easy for me to have this attitude now that I have made some great gains, these have been motivating in their own right, but you are seeing changes to your dick, this is a good sign and if you keep up the effort, who knows where you will be over the next few months, or year or two.

Cheers
Dazz

[NyahKon]

Yeah, you're right. I will try and keep up some form of PE, but it may not be as often or regular as what is considered ideal. I'll have to wait and see what my new schedule allows.

Thanks for the encouragement. I just wish I would see some girth gains in my dick besides at the base. Makes me feel like I am doing something wrong (even though I'm not).

[Dazzlingdaz3]

obviously, gains do vary from person to person, but it may be possible that your base gains may start to travel up the shaft in time. Its funny because most guys have the reverse effect from jelqing which is the "baseball bat effect" and this has to be countered with reverse traps.

One thing I will suggest that might be worth a try. Use the clamp just below the glans and do your girthwork as per normal up to the clamp. You may find that by blocking the blood to the glans, this will put greater pressure on the mid to upper part of the shaft resulting in greater expansion and possibly growth.

Patience is the key here, If you try this , do not expect to see the results overnight, just as your base girth gains have taken months to appear, so might any positive effects from this exercise.

Cheers
Dazz

[doubleman]

There are too many posts to read, and too little time.

But, I just want to say rest. 3 days on, 1 day off, 2 days on 1 day off???? Maybe you should go with 2 days on 1 day off, and the stretching sounds like way too much, 25-30 minutes that is, rest should be a big day from what I read, since that is what gives you the gains after you've exerted yourself. I don't know if while gratifying yourself your supposed to have your penis so fatigued that you can't properly do so, is that right??

Rest and lots of it, that will ensure gains.

I'm just a newbie, sorry if I seem "authoritive" on this but I have read a bit and I know you need wayyy more rest.

ps: maybe you should stick with a routine, doing 3 days on, 1 day off and then mixing it up with 2 days on 1 day off, is that good for your penis? No wonder it's so exerted, it can't adapt to a schedule.