Need help please!

[hunghigh]

Hello evryone at mens network:

I was wondering If I could get a little advise. I started the program November 15, And it January 17, ( my birthday):) and the begining I was noticing some good gains in the flacid state. But my problem is with errect. I took my second measurement and looked like I gained about .5". But I took my measurement for January and Im back to where I started. I have a year supply of psp and take them once daily as prescribed. Im not trying to get a refund because I dont give up that easily. Nor would i ever ask for refund. Im happy to be a part of this program and in most aspects am very happy. My routine are as follows:

Wake up cloth: 3 min
Long schlong: 8 min
Standard jelque:10 min
ong pc flex: 4 min
*long
wake up cloth: 2 min and I do pc flexes through out the day. roughly 250-300

I dont really consentrate on minutes but reps And have a been doing tthe routine so I know about how long it takes me to complete. I would really appreciate some info. Thank you for your time.................One happy customer.

[jade_permenda]

Hi Hunghigh, I'm sorry to hear that your gains didn't stay, that sounds strange.:confused:

You have been doing the program for 2 months now, but you're not doing a full beginners routine from what I can see. You are spending some time doing the routine, but I would suggest that you include more exercises, and more difficult ones into your routine.

I would suggest that you try exchanging the Long Schlong for the Long Schlong heli, and include the horizontal movement in your routine. You might also want to consider changing the standard Jelq with the Jelq and hold.

These substituted exercises are intermediate, and may help you to increase the intensity of your workout a little without spending much more time on the routine.

Hope this helps, if not, contact Customer Support by telephone or email at:

support@lativio.com

We are always more than happy to help.:)

[hunghigh]

Thank you for your quick reply. I will add your suggested excercises and impliment them.

[Bobcat_748]

Hello evryone at mens network:

I was wondering If I could get a little advise. I started the program November 15, And it January 17, ( my birthday):) and the begining I was noticing some good gains in the flacid state. But my problem is with errect. I took my second measurement and looked like I gained about .5". But I took my measurement for January and Im back to where I started.

Nothing strange about this at all, actually. If you measure just a little bit further to the side than where you took your previous measurement, you will think that you have seen gains, when in reality you have not. If you don't hold the ruler exactly straight, you will think that you have seen gains, when in reality, you have not--even cocking the ruler slightly can make you appear to have seen a size increase. Then, when you go to take the next measurement, and you do it properly, you will be thinking, "WTF?! How did I loose all of my gains, lol!"

I would be willing to bet that you probably did one or more of these things. I am pretty sure that I did--if not, then it is, indeed, possible to lose your gains, because I certainly have experienced exactly what you are talking about here. However, from continued remeasuring after the initial shock, I discovered that it was more likely error on my part, than actually losing the gains.

Either way, it does not sound at all strange to me. Suppose you stretch your ligs, and then let up on intensity levels considerably. I'm sure that your ligs would begin to tighten back up, thus causing your gains to disappear.

[Bobcat_748]

You have been doing the program for 2 months now, but you're not doing a full beginners routine from what I can see. You are spending some time doing the routine, but I would suggest that you include more exercises, and more difficult ones into your routine.

I would suggest that you try exchanging the Long Schlong for the Long Schlong heli, and include the horizontal movement in your routine. You might also want to consider changing the standard Jelq with the Jelq and hold.



Not trying to disrespect customer support, here, but I don't see how changing the standard jelq to the jelq and hold would increase the intensity of the exercise. All this will do is make you do less reps, and not even increase the intensity level. It takes longer to do the j&h, because you trap the blood in the glans at the end of the jelq for, what, 20 sec.? That's the only difference.

Frankly, I don't see why they make it an "intermediate" exercise. Common sense says would do better to do the same amount of standard jelqs that you currently do, but try to add more pressure/increase the #seconds per jelq, IMO, and just throw in 10 j&hs on the last 100 standare jelqs. This is one of many reasons why I question how much the program was actually thought out by whoever put it together.

[Paul_Permenda]

Not trying to disrespect customer support, here, but I don't see how changing the standard jelq to the jelq and hold would increase the intensity of the exercise. All this will do is make you do less reps, and not even increase the intensity level. It takes longer to do the j&h, because you trap the blood in the glans at the end of the jelq for, what, 20 sec.? That's the only difference.

Frankly, I don't see why they make it an "intermediate" exercise. Common sense says would do better to do the same amount of standard jelqs that you currently do, but try to add more pressure/increase the #seconds per jelq, IMO, and just throw in 10 j&hs on the last 100 standare jelqs. This is one of many reasons why I question how much the program was actually thought out by whoever put it together.

Bobcat I touched on this in another thread ()and you seemed to accept my explanation then but perhaps I need to explain in more detail for you.

Ok lets take sit-ups as an example. How many ways are there to a do a sit up? You can do them with your legs flat on the floor, bent on the floor, legs in the air, you can do them to different sides you can do them holding a medicine ball etc etc.

Most fitness workouts for abs will include several of these methods yet every one of these exercises is targeting the same muscles - your abs, however some are more effective, some have more effect on lower abs, some more effect on upper abs.

You should look at Penis Enlargement as the same even though your penis is not a muscle. Adding an extra hand or changing very slightly the way an exercise is performed can actuall have dramatic effects of how effective the exercise is. One exercise may help increase your size be enlarging the tissue at one end of the penis and that same exercise performed slightly differently may help enlarge the tissue at the other end.

If all exercises only targeted one area of the tissue there is only so much in gains you would see, the idea is to make these slight changes that increase intensity and target a slightly different area to see all round and more significant gains.

If you do not believe that changing an exercise (no matter how slight that change is) will improve its effectiveness then by all means carry on performing the same exercises and never progressing. The chances are you will not see as good gains as someone who does take the time to vary and progress their routine.

In answer to your question about how the program was developed. In 2001 PenisHealth was born using the basic techniques that have been used for hundreds of years by various tribes across the globe. Since then we have taken a keeen interest in reports from users of other exercises they have used succesfully. These exercises are then tested by users and if a signficant amount of these users feel worked and feel they have gained from using these exercises then we look to implement them in to our program.

We do not throw in exercises for the sake of it, if we did we would have more than 34 exercises in our program since there are 100's of different exercises and variations out there. The truth is that we only add in exercises that we are completely confident will work for a significant proportion of people, we will not waste our time or your time adding exercises that have little or no evidence that they will enlarge your penis.

I hope this answers your questions and addresses yuour doubts.

[Bobcat_748]

Thanks for that about the history of PH, that was really helpful, and good to know.

I fully understand about the variations of the exercises being better for intensity levels or for perhaps targeting different tissues, once someone has exhausted their gains from using the simpler versions of them--no arguments there.

One thing I do not agree with, is that if someone has not seen gains from several months of jelqing, that it would be any better for them to do Jelq and Hold, however. But that is just my personal opinion, which could be very wrong.

[hunghigh]

Thank you for both of your comments. Bobcat I think you may be right about measurement part of it. But I did my PE last night and when I woke up I was more full. I did the jelque and hold and also did some more pc when fully errect. Im not giving up on this program ever. I also read some good threads about other members who has seen no gains. But one thing I would like to ask them. Because I will be the first to admit than when I would finish me work-out for the first month I would masterbate. I hate to admit that but when Im hard I hve to release the pressure. Well Im holding back on that now and seems to be working pretty good. There is alot of great information on these threads so I will keep working on this......... My wife saw this site and said to me "your dick will never get any bigger, so get over it" hahahahaha I'm going to prove her wrong. Only time will tell and the good thing about this is that she is almost 8 months pregant. So needless to say we probably will not have sex till May o June. Man is she for a BIG and I mean Big surprise!:sm36

[Bobcat_748]

You know what's odd? I just had contradicting measurements again, taken from the exact same spot! I know, I shouldn't have even been measuring again at this point. But this time, even my lowest measurement was 1/8 inch more than what is in my sig right now. Maybe we become apprehensive when we go to get an official measuement and it causes our dicks not to be at their full potential. I don't know. But I do know this much, you will see gains eventually.

[Bobcat_748]

But one thing I would like to ask them. Because I will be the first to admit than when I would finish me work-out for the first month I would masterbate. I hate to admit that but when Im hard I hve to release the pressure. Well Im holding back on that now and seems to be working pretty good.

That reminds me...I've been reading some on the IPR theory. What you said about masterbating would contradict the "P" in the IPR theory, which is why they advise against it. In the IPR theory as I understand it and as it applies to PE, the "P" phase, which stands for Proliferation, is when the work that you've done heals and growth occurs. Ultimately, that growth should occur in the enlarged state, and when you masturbate or have sex, of course, it normally causes you to contract. Maybe if we used clamps or extenders after our sessions, we would see killer results! I have not been masturbating afterwards, but I have been letting myself contract more so than staying in an enlarged state, as is recommended, yet difficult for me to achieve.

[hunghigh]

Excelent reply Bobcat. There is somethng im going to try as all this is trial and error. I am going to try this; after a good work I'm going to do my pc flexes try and maintain a good erection for 20 min and try and keep as much blood flow as I can keep the thing up. I tell ya I did this last night after my session and this morning I woke up more so thicker than I ever have. Maybe it is just a coinsident. But I will continue to do this and keep ya posted on whether it works or not. Or you could also incorporate this into yur sessions. I guess it couldnt hurt as I said this before we are all here to get larger! I think this is awsome that I stumbled across this site a little over 2 months ago. The one thing we all have in common. I enjoy being a part of this forum and for some of the others that have not achieved any results, I feel sorry for them in the fassion that a vast majority of these people are either not telling 100% of the truth about their gains. Or just want money back for a product that they really havent given much effort. I was a bit skeptical about this product myself because I am a show me or prove to me kinda guy. But im also a bit of a risk taker and had a good feeling from like day 3 after a few workouts. So for you guys that give up so quickly . Never give up on your dreams or asperants in life. We are all here to help one another from different excersises to maybe a relationship question.We will conquer this conquest together. There are so many helpfull threads on this site that I hate to see anybody write this program off. My advise would be try and switch things up a little. Be more aggresive in your program! I am no expert on this subject but I do fill myself with all the knowlege from others on different threads. SO PLEASE to all the newbees. READ READ READ AND DO DO DO. You will be much more pleased with results. Dont cry and whine about it. It reminds me of my 4 year old son "I cant do it". If you think you can't, you wont. Your just setting yourself up for failure. If you have a possitive attitude from the begining you will succeed.Thank you again for everyone who replies to all my threads you have helped me mentally and physically.