PE and remaining pure

[doubleman]

I am a christian, and trying to do PE. It is hard at times for different reasons to do PE and remain pure, I was wondering if it is possible to do them both - or is it one or the other? Is anyone here on the forum able to do both, or not? I suppose if I try I can experiment and see how that goes, just got to put limits on myself I guess.

[Sed26]

There is nothing bad about PE. If you are unhappy with your current size its not bad to PE. There are different reasons why we do PE. Some for aesthethic reasons but most importantly, confidence. PE not only will help your sex life but your everyday life. A good example would be a business man. He may be off his game because of confidence and PE can help give him that extra boost that he may need to be his best. So don't look at it as strictly for sexual reasons.

[doubleman]

yeah, you are probably right. PE isn't the cause of my slippings, I think they can be seperated - thanks.

[Dazzlingdaz3]

Hi mate

Please define "pure"

If you are referring to masturbation as your "slippings" and making you "impure" then I think it is time that religion came into the new millenium and accepted sexuality for what it is .....................A God given trait..........

If God gave us the biological functions to create sexual tension, then I believe that he gave us the ability to release that sexual tension for just that purpose.

Masturbation is NOT evil and is not a MORTAL SIN and does not make you impure and I will personally denounce any religion that continues to perpetrate this LIE!!

Having said that, I do respect your decision to follow the teachings of your religion.

Cheers
Dazz

[turtle]

Masturbation is NOT evil and is not a MORTAL SIN and does not make you impure and I will personally denounce any religion that continues to perpetrate this LIE!!



I completely agree with you Dazz. Most of this sexual paranoid thinking of the Christian religions is linked back to the original Catholic teachings. Somehow the concept of the professed "Miracle of the Virgin birth of Christ" was translated into the idea that celibate priests and nuns allowed them to reach a higher level of connection with God. Of course we know how celibate some priests have remained when involved with little boys. Most Christian spinoffs of the Catholic faith quickly realized that the concept of celibacy was insane, and allowed their clergy to marry and behave like humans. There is also the biblical example of Sodom and Gammora (I have no idea if I spelled that correctly) which condemned blatant sexual practices. The key is that normal, responsible sexual behavior is completely human, and if you believe that we were made in the image and likeness of God, then sexual behavior is part of that. If your into having sex with goats, I would call that rather immoral and twisted, but masturbation and the associated relief is perfectly normal. You are not imposing your will on anyone, and you are not in any way, shape, or form, hurting another person. If in your mind, you cannot make the disconnect between handling your penis and a sinful act, then you really need to sit down and think.
turtle

[divulse123]

I'm not sure the OP's original question has actually been answered as well as it could be, considering the excellent source of information that is this forum. (Of course, I'm not implying that people were bashing his obvious concern over his religous beliefs, but maybe the topic should not be dismissed so quickly.) Religion aside: Yes, it is possible to PE without ejaculating. In fact, the technique of 'edging' (stimulating the penis to the point just before orgasm and then stopping) has been shown by many to add to sexual control and the level of hormones in the blood, possibly speeding up gains. We've all heard that it's not good to ejaculate within three hours of a PE session.
There is another point, doubleman, which bears some consideration. There have been studies (done in Australia I believe) which indicate that infrequent ejaculation can increase the chances of prostate cancer. In some sense "cleaning the pipes" really cleans them! However, being a devout Christian does raise some difficult questions about this. So, there are 2 separate issues here.

1.) PE and Christianity. Is it possible? My personal opinion is yes. However, I think you ought perhaps to look into your motivations for doing PE. If they are for health benefits, marriage benefits, and a confidence boost, then I think that you don't have to go very far to justify it. However if one's motivations are perhaps a little more base then one ought to consider whether their goal or their relationship with the divine is more important, or if they can be reconciled.

2.) 'purity' or ejaculation and Christianity. As far as doctrine is concerned masturbation or "Onanism" (both masturbation and 'pulling out' during sex) is a sin; there is probably no real way around that. Unfortunately when one considers the potential health benefits of ejaculation there is a problem. It would seem to me that one ought to think long and hard about how they feel about this sort of sin. If your Christian denomination does not allow you to improve your health by careful maintenance and fine-tuning of your biological functions, then it is up to the individual to decide if they want to carry the sin on their conscience. It's not something that someone can advise you on.

One thing to remember about sin is that, if you're a Christian, you've got it; everyone lives with original sin. This does not make someone less of a Christian, in fact it partly defines them as such. Masturbating, if you must consider it a sin, does not make you less of one either. It is up to the individual to decide if they can accept the fact that they are commiting a transgression for the sake of their health/pleasure/whatever goal they have. If you feel so ashamed of being 'impure' then by all means don't do it, but if you want to remain healthy so you can serve your country/family/friends/etc., then periodic release of "PE stress" is something that should seriously considered to reduce the chances of a dangerous cancer.

Sorry to ramble, but sometimes these issues need to be addressed and not dismissed as silly or just wrong, especially if the person who raises the question is honestly concerned over an issue that is important to them. At any rate, before I get flamed, I'm not 'getting all Christian up in here' but I thought it would be interesting to address the question from a Christian point of view, not a 'Christianity is Wrong' point of view."
Cheers all.

[White Angel]

Hi, divulse123

You ahve alot of decent information in there, i am not Christian myself and i am 100% that Daz and turtle did not mean 'Christianity is Wrong' point of view." A tall.

I personally do not think religion comes into PEing

[anth1225]

I am a christian, and trying to do PE. It is hard at times for different reasons to do PE and remain pure, I was wondering if it is possible to do them both - or is it one or the other? Is anyone here on the forum able to do both, or not? I suppose if I try I can experiment and see how that goes, just got to put limits on myself I guess.

Doubleman,
I am a Christian too and I understand your dilemma.
You don't need porn to do PE and whatever you decide to do to get you through the exercises make sure it's something you can live with and have a clear conscience about.
At that point it's a personal decision between you and God.

On a personal note I prayed to God for a bigger unit and shortly afterwards I "stumbled" onto Penis Health and this forum.
So I decided to do it and I am truely glad I did!

anth

[divulse123]

Hey there White Angel,
Personally, I agree wholeheartedly with you, Dazz, and Turtle; however, it seemed to me like nobody was trying to empathize with the original poster of this thread, who was obviously having some difficulties sorting out how he really felt about the place of PE in HIS life, not Dazz's or Turtle's or mine or yours. I was just trying to clarify the issues that were involved for both the original poster and for the other people who were involved in this thread. No offense or insult meant to anyone of course! :)

As a side note, it's interesting from a sociological viewpoint (not a viewpoint that I usually take) that the morality of PE, sex, and masturbation is never discussed. Everyone just assumes it's ok and that's that. But the truth is that different people have different ideas about what is right and wrong and why. Personally, I'm glad this thread popped up because it can certainly generate some interesting conversation and an exchange of ideas. That's what this forum is for right? ;)
Adieu

[doubleman]

I was just about to post my post, and scrolled down to review, found the post just before this one (now that I've posted the one before that, but I like the one before mine too), and I agree with that. I just got out of a PE session and I'm not still "buzzing" with sexual urges, that I think I have achieved.

As for the masturbation issue, there isn't a clear answer on this, no one seems to have one except...

Flesh - Christians are concerned that masturbation can lead to masturbation adddiction, and that such an addiction would be "giving into the flesh" and that isn't right.

Having mastery over myself is important, and enjoyable, I personally would decide not to masturbate, because it is a major time consumer and the sexual material needed to "get up" for masturbation can be time consuming as well. I like to get in hobbies (PE) and improve myself, sometimes addictions can get in the way. I once saw a poster on the PE forum who was completely addicted to all sorts of things, and had a weak will, and this affected his PE practice and all areas of life, I'm not saying masturbation is wrong, I'm just noting that it needs to be handled, I think PE is seperate and what you view it to be will only make whatever struggle worse (my newly formed opinion).

I'm only going to give this one, there may be a verse if I were asked to, could give out that I found that might correlate with masturbation - but I'll save it. I'm still not clear on masturbation, all I know is that I'd rather not, maybe if it is kept under control it is ok, but really I don't know, and havn't closely monitored the posssibility of a relationship with God while masturbating.

I'm looking forward to getting a bigger penis (mostly girth, mainly for marriage), and after reading some a disturbing (like scary) study about how women were faking orgasms and only reached one like once a year, I decided getting into PE again would be wise. I think I have seperated my struggle, and PE, and your guys' posts help, thanks.

I too, don't want to get flamed for getting "all christian up in here" xD

[Dazzlingdaz3]

Hi guys,
Great to see some spirited and informative debate in this thread. I would agree that my original post did not empathise with, or answer the OPs original post.
My response was never meant to be disrespectful in any way, but rather to vent my frustration that religion is still so archaic that issues of sexuality are still swept under the carpet and considered taboo and in this day and age, Guys like the OP are finding it difficult to balance themselves and their humanity, with what is essentially still blood and thunder, fire and brimstone type teachings that still exist in the religious sector.

Cheers
Dazz

[divulse123]

I think that's an excellent point Dazz (as usual). A vast majority of large religious institutions are 'archaic,' which can certainly serve an excellent purpose such as preserving morality and ethics, preserving family structure, and promoting charity, etc. Unfortunately, when it comes to science (biology is the one at issue here) often there isn't even an attempt to address certain issues or take an official stand. The result of this is that often many young people are put off. It seems that, unless many of the major religious groups begin reassessing their stances on certain issues they may begin to weaken and die out. Such a loss of potential for good would truly be sad, but often that is the way of 'archaic' institutions.

[White Angel]

My view personally on the matter is that religion as a whole shouldnt affect a person choice on to masturbate or not.

they they personally find it wrong then they wouldnt do it.

Religion i feel is a personal thing so what ever you feel is wrong or right then you follow that (within reason of course)

If the poster feels that him masturbating is not a "sin" then he wouldnt be any less "pure"

[Sed26]

I say anything in religion that goes against your health should be avoided. There are certain religions that says you should not accept blood from other people, meaning if you're in the hospital dying in need of blood, you should refuse to recieve blood to live. I myself set my own moral values and won't listen to any religious things that would put my health or life in danger.