Has anyone heard of Dr. Elist?

[The Door Man]

This doctor holds a number of patents on ED and PE procedures. The implant is a pretty interesting concept. It appears mainly for girth enhancment, and the patient can (apparently) choose the amount of increase in girth they desire. The drawback is apparently the patient loses and inch or so of length after the surgery and while Dr. Elist says you get it back and over time, due to the "partial severing" of the suspensatory lig and the wieght of the protsesthis ...and will in fact gain 1/2"-1" in length due to the hanging effect...

http://www.surgeon4men.com/index-p.html

There are some patient reviews that have frustratingly inconclusive reports due to them having gone through the operation recently as opposed to 2 or 4 years ago. (within 1 or 2 months ago, most of them)

Any feedback would be helpful!

[anth1225]

I don't know of your doctor per say, but I will say this from what I've learned from penis enlargement surgery. The subjects end up gaining about 1.5 inches in length. The girth is temporary as skin grafts have a tendency to be absorbed back into the body.

Then the poor sob has to deal with a raw bloody package for months.

Now look at my signature. I've gained more by doing manual exercises and I never had to deal with a raw bloody penis that felt like murder everytime I went pee.

I really believe this is an no brainer. I've gone 8 months doing no girth exercises and lost nothing of my girth. I've gone 3 months of no length exercises and was unaffected.

In my opinion manual PE is the way to go period.

[The Door Man]

I don't know of your doctor per say, but I will say this from what I've learned from penis enlargement surgery. The subjects end up gaining about 1.5 inches in length. The girth is temporary as skin grafts have a tendency to be absorbed back into the body.

Then the poor sob has to deal with a raw bloody package for months.

Now look at my signature. I've gained more by doing manual exercises and I never had to deal with a raw bloody penis that felt like murder everytime I went pee.

I really believe this is an no brainer. I've gone 8 months doing no girth exercises and lost nothing of my girth. I've gone 3 months of no length exercises and was unaffected.

In my opinion manual PE is the way to go period.
Hi Anth,

there's NO debating your gains, I will concede that right away! I'm also still a believer in manual PE, so please be aware of that as well! But this doctor doesn't to the FFT (lipo) or the skin grafts. It's an actual medical grade silicone implant. Note that 1.5" length gain is unlikley, but rather less than an inch. What it does do, however, is increase girth Significantly. The only reason this appeals to me is because I am primarily after girth and it appears that unlikely you and Canuck, I don't gain girth so easy.

What I wont do is subject my member to butchery and probability of losing sensation, malformation, etc. I do want to say that this doctor has had positive reviews from clients on other PE forums, so I called his office my self.

His receptionist took my name and number and said the doctor will call me back later in the afternoon. He actually did, but it was right when I was going into a meeting. I asked if I could call him back tomorrow, and he said that is no problem. He provided his cell number, and explained that given the highly personal and emotional nature of this procedure, he makes it a point to be avaialble via cell phone to his clients anytime. I do want to say that this jives with what his customers say on the forums...whenever they have a concern during the post-op recovery, he asks them to call him. I think that's pretty good.

don't get me wrong, some of his clients are worried about regaining thier lost length, worried about healing properly, etc....and they all seem to be in the beginning stages of thier post-op recovery, so no one seemed convinced that this is the silver bullet. But these same customers make it a point to say that Dr. Elist has been excellent in making himself available to answer thier questions and concerns.

[Earendil]

There are many doctors who do their job because they love it, and when they treat patients, they are 100 % behind them and are doing their best with the best intentions.
One can have the best intentions and it may still not turn out the way you imagined though.

This guy appears to be fine and honest, the question is just whether his method works.

And I'd wait a few months to see how the other patients' results are.

[metalman]

personally i'd never let even the most skilled surgeon cut my noodle.girth increase it may be but i'd learn to live with the skinny dick like i've been doing all along.it may take longer to see the gains with manual PE but it's a lot better alternative given the risks involved.i trust my hands better than any doctors.

[The Door Man]

I am in agreement with the general sentiment on this board regarding surgery. I view it with suspicion and reluctance. Having the most precious part of my anatomy cut open and meddled with doesn't sit well.....at all. However, there are many cosmetic surgeries that have been developed safely and effectively, and I don't see a reason why that can't be the case for the penis as well. When that will be, no one knows.

I will admit that I've called this doctor on the number he provided. (You can find out ALOT from his patients reporting on the My New Size forums) I will say that he doesn't sugar coat the whole process. He gives the positives and negatives about to procedure rather clearly, and provides references as well. Of course, any doctor doing so would hand pick his happiest clients who, given the emotional nature of this procedure, are more than happy to provide testimony as to the wonderful life-changing experience it is.

Here's what I've been able to discern from my convo with the Dr., my convo with his references, and from research on the internet:

1.) His procedure is, in fact, FDA approved for the purpose he developed it for. (He invented and patented the prosthesis)

2.) The procedure is more for girth than length. Length will be gained, but generally not much

3.) The primary drawback is the post-op. The healing time is a genuine epoch before one is completely back to normal. Both the Dr. and the patients make no bones about how painful the first several weeks are. The urinating, the night-time erections, etc. have been described as between incredibly painful to near unbearable. (At least there's some honesty, here, folks)

4.) Initially patients gain (generally) around 1" in FLACCID length, BUT lose around an inch in erect length due to the penis' tissues retracting to the trauma of the surgery (which is the least invasive of all surgical options), but as it heals and the body acclimates to having the prosthesis, the penile tissue lets loose and normal length is re-acquired. HOWEVER, Dr. Elist will sever the suspensatory ligament if the patient desires, and the due to the weight of the implant, it's like light hanging 24/7, so length gain over and above original measurements will come over time. (The implant wieghs 500 grams, a touch over 1/4 lb)

5.) The implant is not likely to cause a penis being misshapen, as there is no injection of fat and there are no grafts that require blood or tissue connectivity.

6.) Different sizes are available for people with different sized penises. If you have a particularly small penis, for example, you wont be a candidate for the Large of XL implant as the skin of said penis can't provide the needed elasticity. The Dr. wont provide an implant that wont fit your pre-op penis.

6.) The post-op isn't just notably painful, but it's also rather drawn out. Most of those who had the surgery tend to get back to being comfortable (completely) doing every day activity including working out at the gym after 2 months or so....strenuous activity after 3 months. While the Dr. says sexual activity is ok after 3 months, most patients voluntariliy wait 4 months. During these 2-3 months, pain decreases...albeit from a very high level. So notable or moderate discomofort will be a compainion even several weeks after the op. (Apparently patients are able to go back to work after 4-5 days, but their mobility is limited and, of course, they're in pain)

7.) It seems people are VERY reluctant to give a big thumbs up recommendation when posting during thier first 6-8 weeks. They have doubts and aren't sure what to make of it when their penis grows 1" in flaccid length and 2" in girth (erect and flaccid), but thier erect length is 1" less (yes, you're reading this right) and they're in a mountain of pain. After the 8 week mark, the approvals and recommendations seem to go up. Guys start getting giddy about it start the whole "oh my life is 100% good now!" schpeel.

I'm not here to endorse any surgical procedure, far from it. I've been PE'ing for 6 months now and have seen some slight gains in length (good) non in girth (big disappointment), noticably harder erection (never a bad thing) and a MUCH beefier and muscular looking penis (I'll take that, too). So in my mind, PE is batting .750 and is damn near FREE......so please note that I am a believer in PE and would continue it with or without any surgery I may or may nto have in the future because at the very least we help keep our penises healthy.

But I would by lying to the forum and myself if I were to say that the idea of (the average result of the implant) 1.5"-2.0" of increased girth via surgery (if, and only if, it's a safe procedure) isn't a very appealing option. Please keep in mind that I'm a guy who has good length but very disappointing girth with a wife who's had alota guys with girth, so it's one of those things where it's a holy grail to me...if it's as good as it seems, I'd be hard pressed to pass.

If any old-time-posters here want to take a look at the my new size forum and read some of it and share thier thoughts, I would love to hear thier opinion.

[Earendil]

The only question I have about this prosthetic is: silicone is soft, right? Technically, doesn't the implant reduce the hardness of your dick when erected?

[The Door Man]

As I understand it, the implant is pliable but somewhat firm. (Like how fake boobs are firmer than real) But not only that, the implan goes inside the portion of the penis that fills with blood and makes it hard. Don't quote me on that. In any case, I am monitoring several patients of his as they post on another forum. It appears that the biggst concerns are A) whether there are any length gains after a while and B) the potentially VERY painful recovery process.

For Concern A, I have had some feedback where folks get thier length back, but none of them have been post op long enought to have gotten any length gains yet.

What, so far, is above reproach is the girth gains. It' going to be interesting to see how it plays out. In the meantime, I'm going to stick with me PE

[anth1225]

I can understand your desire for quick girth.
It took me 2.5 yrs to gain 1/2 an inch but all the work was worth it. Not only did I have increased girth I also had a greater awareness of my unit in regards to stamina, lasting longer and what I can take in regards to exercises.

So you gain more than just girth in the process.

I would recommend this route over any procedure. If you can do it on your own why subject yourself to such drastic, unnecessary measures?

[The Door Man]

Anth,
I am inclined to agree. There's no debate about the genuine entirety of benefits of PE. Alot of guys come around and are looking for a bigger unit, but only some of them are able to grasp that there is more to it than just growing the penis. I definitely fall onto that camp. I wouldn't be truthful if I said that I would like more girth than PE would afford me tho. Being only 4.8" EG, spending 2years to get a half inch would only get me to where u started. Imagine working as hard as u did to only get to where you began your PE journey. That's what i'm looking at. I gained length, stronger erections, a more muscular looking penis, and like you, a better perspective of sexuality and my penis. Most of all, I gained an ability to talk about it to others on these forums freely. Thus, my opinion is that PE is something all men, endowed or not, surgery or not, should consider. After all it's Penis Health, not Penis Size, right?

But again, I'd be lying if I told myself that 1.5"-2.0" of EG is attainable via PE within any reasonable period of time. And 1.5" is pretty much what i'm looking for in girth.

Oh and there's the not-so-insignificant issue of the operation being 10,500 bucks. Yeah, minor detail there.

Thanks for your insight guys! I really appreciate it.

[Earendil]

I do not live in the US anyway, so this method is naturally a bit "problematic". And I certainly won't move to the States for a bigger dick ;)

[metalman]

with manual PE you got to set goals but you also have to set reasonable ones.i started out small as you can see by my signiture with only 4.25 girth.i gained 1/4 inch but it took me about 1 year and nine months to do it.i gained 1 1/16 in length during that time also.it's been a long journey and it isn't over yet but i doubt i'll ever reach the 8x6 that so many here seek.when i started i would have had to of gained 3 inches in length and at least 1 3/4 in girth.maybe it's possible but i got to be realistic in my approach or i'll doom myself to failure.my goals havn't been to be huge but just to reach an average size.would i like to be huge,of course,but i got be realistic also and getting to 8x6 may never be reachable for me without some kind of surgery.that's out of the question and i really can't see myself five years from now still going through all the motions.maintaining my size and penis health with some light stretches and such i don't see being a problem.once i feel i've accomplished my goals maybe i'll set new ones and take it from there.

[Big Al]

Harmful drugs that got recalled just a few years after their released were also "FDA Approved". FDA approval is not a guarantee of safety.

Surgery should always be a last resort, if at all. It's the most expensive and riskiest PE process.

Before considering surgery, please give this a read: http://www.mens-network.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16694