Erectness and Blood Pressure

[Mudrubble]

HI guys,

I am new to PE, and started with jelqing exercises. My question is about exact hardness suitable for PEing. I find that when I am maybe 2/3 to 3/4 erect, I can feel the blood flow around best. When I am too hard, I can't squeeze the blood really well, as the dick is too hard. When it is too soft, there is not enough blood, plus I'm worried about ripping something! Another thing is that I feel sometimes, like I am filling so much blood into the tip of the dick, that if it could explode with blood, it would. It verges on hurting (strictly blood-pressure related hurting, not skin, or friction pain - as if is a balloon blown up too much) at times, totally full with blood. Is this OK? So my questions are:

1 - Exactly how hard do you guys get to PE? Do you find it too hard to move blood if the dick is too hard?

2 - Do you ever feel like you're moving so much blood, that the blood pressure hurts? Is this OK?

Thanks,

[Vine]

Good post, Mudrubble.

To answer your questions...sorry, not exactly brief answers, but you've raised an important issue here, so I'll try to respond accordingly:

1) About 80-90% of an erection seems to work well for jelqs. I definitely agree with you about the issue of being too soft vs. too hard with respect to being able to move the blood around sufficiently, etc.

I personally start with around 95 or even 100% of an erection, as my dick will start to lose its erection relatively fast anyway. I renew my erection after every 25 jelqs (I therefore do sets of 25 jelqs, each time beginning with a good 95-100% erection, until I hit my daily total). I would say that, on average on any given jelq set, my dick has about a 70 to 90% erection throughout most of the set (this tends to drop to around 50% by the last few reps, which is fine, as jelqing with different intensities helps work the penis in different ways).

Which brings me to your second question...

2) Yes, sometimes so much blood is moved into the head that, along with the pressure, it sort of "hurts"---especially when I begin the jelqs with a full erection. The trick is to make sure that, first of all, there is not too much 'pain' or discomfort and, secondly, that none of the little blood vessels you see protruding under the skin of your head look like they're about to burst! Don't get me wrong...as I'm sure you know, you'll see lots of protruding blood vessels. For the most part, that's just fine. Just make sure that none of them---particularly in the head; especially if this area becomes unusually painful---really look like they're on the verge of bursting. Seriously.

There is sometimes a delicate balance between getting enough pressure to really work your dick and not bursting blood vessels. If you see some protruding a lot---most will, but I mean a lot---use your judgement here---then it's time to ease up your grip a bit, or begin jelqing with less of an erection.

It takes a 'trained eye' and a good sense of what works or doesn't work for you before you can really feel comfortable balancing this pressure vs. 'pain' issue. Just be careful until you've achieved that!

I have special circumstances that pretty much force me to start jelqs with a full erection, so I don't suggest that everyone else do this. Just stick with whatever seems to work for you.

Beginning the jelqs with so full of an erection that it becomes difficult to move the blood around is essentially the equivalent of a Uli---or at least the beginning stages of a Uli.
That's fine for jelqs, but like you said, the blood won't really move around much until you've softened up a bit!

You hit the nail on the head---moving the blood around is the most important part of the jelqs, so keep working at achieving this delicate balance when doing jelqs and you'll be set.

Hope this helps.
Big Vine

[Mudrubble]

Hey Big Vine,

Thanks for the very informative post. That is exactly the level of detail I was hoping for. A couple things. I am black so it is hard, with my complexion, to tell if I am getting little red dots or not, as I can't really see stuff like that on brown skin. I doubt it though, as I am paranoid about hurting myself, so when in doubt, I ease off. I do see the head swell and sometimes it swells into a smooth balloon type shape, other times it swells into a very rippled-up spongy type texture which looks more like a water balloon in a net, being filled so that parts are bursting out of the net, with other parts being restrained like a string from the net is holding it back. Like instead of one smooth swelling, I see several vessels, all swelling, but not as one smooth round shape. You see some italian sausages like that (excuse the obvious pun) when they were originally in a netting of some sort. Does this make sense?

Anyway, first question: what is the cause of the two DIFFERENT types of swelling? Any idea?

I also feel like when I am doing it what I believe is correctly, that it starts to feel like a real sponge, so that as I move blood around, I can feel certain spaces are more "empty" than others, where I've pushed the blood. Kind of like those pillows that keep the shape of your head when you get up from lying down on them. I feel like after I squeeze a part, it keeps the shape for a second or two. I assumed this meant I was doing it correctly. What do you think?

Third: I don't actually count reps, I guess I should? I just keep it up for like 20-30 minutes, usually until the pain threshold drops and drops til the pressure starts to hurt too much, then I usually say, enough for today. Next day it is fine. Is this bad or good, in your opinion.

So far, my results, after 2 1/2 weeks of PEing and half a week of wearing the ROP? It SEEMS I've grown a 1/2 inch in girth (5 to 5.5) and the same in length (7.25 - I said I was black.....just a joke.....to 7.75), but I am not sure that this represents actual growth, as opposed to just "re-filling" out the spaces that were probably filled when I was younger. My goal is 9 x 6.5. I figure, why not? I've never really had a small one or anything, but why not find out what a really massive one feels like? In fact, I stumbled across PEing a few weeks back when trying to find cures for losing an erection inside of condoms. Now that I'm uncommitted, I understand that condoms will be a much larger part of my life, but my erection is not strong enough to really withstand a long time in a condom. Also, my orgasms are not as fulfilling as they used to be, plus I don't ejaculate nearly as much as I used to. When I started noticing a slight pause before peeing, I knew that I either nip this in the bud or it will kick me in the balls! So after searching, I came across PEing, and then when I saw that it also increased dick size, I thought why the hell not???

Last question: How much do people on this site really gain? I know that there are testimonials of people who gained 3 inches, etc. on the penis-health.com site (where I have a subscritption), but I don't know what people on this site are actually getting. Do you have a better sense of what are the mean or average gains? Are people gaining mostly an inch? Half an inch? 2 or 3 inches? What is the biggest factor that contributes to growth, assuming one is doing PE with no drugs or pills?

Thanks for your help. That last post was definitely useful, and I'll keep that "balance" between pausing at pain and pushing form maximum blood movement in mind. Balance. Like everything else in life, it makes sense.....thanks

[Smoky]

Wow, this is a good thread with good questions. Just to let you know I gain anywhere from 1/16 to 1/4 an inch a month in length and girth. I had almost a week off last week and it seemed like I was losing my gains, but after my exercise last night it seemed they were back and then some... of course some extra for the exercises.

Just keep at it, you'll make gains. And good for you for starting with a big dick. I started with a below average one... but I'm working on getting above average!

[Vine]

Okay...lots of important issues here again.

Since we're on the size topic, I'll have to agree with Smoky---I've slacked off lately but after two days in a row of 200 intense jelqs, my dick seems to have bulged back to the size it was when I was PEing more consistently.

From what I've read, PEers seem to be able to gain about 1.5 to 2.0" in Erect Length and 0.5 to 1.25" in Erect Girth.
Some have gained more, but that typically requires some extra dedication.
I'd say that anyone who stays reasonably dedicated to a consistent 9 to 12 month PE commitment can expect to gain 1.5" Erect Length and 1.0" Erect Girth no problem.

Anyway, glad my previous post helped. I understand exactly what you mean about the different types of 'swelling' or pressure on the head---I'd guess that if it's smooth, then no problem. If it's more 'spongy,' as you also described (which is what I was referring to about the blood vessels protruding on your head), then I'd start to be careful. This indicates a fair amount of pressure, but should be okay so long as you look at the individual vessels to be sure that none seem to be about to burst.
(i.e. purple or very dark appearance, sometimes---but not always---accompanied by pain)
The difference between the two types of 'swelling': I notice the smoother look on the first few jelqs. After that, it tends to stay more 'spongy' as the blood vessels protrude from the head as more blood engorges the area. I just keep a close eye on things and let my body dictate how much intensity I should be using...again, that delicate balance.

I would strongly suggest counting repetitions. Plan on doing 200 (minimum) good quality jelqs that last about 2-3 seconds per repetition. Even if your dick seems to stay hard for 20 minutes at a time while jelqing, as you mentioned in your previous post, it would still be a good idea to renew your erection after every 50 reps, minimum---if, for no other reason, to make sure that you're beginning with a strong enough erection.

The gains you reported sound great, but seem a bit high given the relatively short time you've been PEing. Make sure that you measure only on rest days, or you'll very likely end up measuring temporary gains from the workouts (as opposed to cemented gains). I've done this, and it's rather frustrating to think you've gained more than you actually have.

Well, another long post yet again.
Let us know if you have any other questions or comments. Unfortunately I can't really suggest what you can do about not being able to see those red spots on your dick...I see them on my shaft most of the time, but rarely on my head at all. Just make sure you're not getting too many dots on your head (or anything that resembles bruising, of course) and it should be okay. Anything like that should be easier to see there, as I'm assuming it's lighter than the rest of your dick.

Big Vine

[Mudrubble]

Thanks Big Vine,

I am learning a lot here. Thanks a lot. OK, let me start by clarifying something inferred from one of my posts. Not sure what I DID say that gave the impression that I stay hard for 20 mins of exercises straight, but that is NOT the case! I refirm up after every 10 or so reps, but I only used to go to 65% - 80% firmness, not the 80% - 90% that you mention, so it only took a few seconds to refirm up. Last night, for the first time, I stiffened more to about 80-90 and started there, based on what you wrote yesterday. I think it helped, I'll repeat tonight and see.

It was strange, last night I was with my girl (MY friend, A girl) and I got hard as usual, but then, I felt "another" erection INSIDE that one extend it. Like when you blow a party balloon, the way it might seem full until you blow that next breath and the whole thing expands again. It was like a few extra pumps of blood and I felt it grow to a size I'm not accustomed to. It is definitely thicker. That is for sure. Even my girl noticed that recently. But last night, I felt like I had an extension on the end that just "activated" after my regular erection. Sounds crazy, but it's true. Probably just the head is looser, not as constricted, holds more blood.....

I think you're probably right about the "gains" being temporary, not permanent, because I didn't measure on a rest day, i measured during PE! Now I know. But I still feel it growing bigger, so SOMETHING is happening to it, relative to size, although maybe not the full 1/2 inch it seemed from measuring. Last night, I measured 7 5/8 at best, so that 7 3/4 was definitely temporary. But I'd bet if I got hard right now, I'd still measure 7 1/2 which is still a 1/4 inch bigger than two weeks ago. But again, probably just "re-filling" these spaces, more than actually gaining new dimensions. More like reclaiming old dimensions. I think everything past 7 1/2 represents actual growth. From now on, I'll measure on rest days only, and only once a month. Good advice to the dumb.

I have heard that some sites offer exercises to do to fully erect dicks, while some offer exercises for fully flaccid dicks, while others for some "in between" state. Is this true? If so, what is the difference, and what is the verdict as to which is best?

Tonight, I'll count 200 reps. I figure at 10 secs a rep (averaging out the time in between to re-harden) that is 2000 seconds, or 33 minutes. I'll probably re-harden every 10 - 20 reps. This morning in the shower, I noticed veins popping out like a pro bodybuilder. Felt and looked good.

But most of all, what was initially most important to me, staying hard, I can definitely sense less "pressure" imploding, squeezing blood out, pushing my dick to shrink. It "stays big" more comfortably. I am going to give it the condom test in a week or two. Right now, I'm sleeping with a good friend who I don't use condoms with, as neither of us are having outside sex. But, in a few weeks, I'll start testing the new equipment. I'll aslo measure at week four and that will be my first OFFICIAL measurement of increase. Again, SOMETHING is happening.

Lastly, my girl/friend (not girlfriend) pulled off my ROP last night, and I slept with it off (what a DAMNED good night it was.....) and this morning, my dick felt sorer than any other morning. I don't know if it is related, but it is at least possible. After putting it on, it seems to be more relaxed now. Mind over matter? Or does this ring actually promote blood flow that strongly? Hmmmmmmmmm.........

Thanks a lot, man. You've helped a lot. Any other advice?

[Vine]

But I still feel it growing bigger, so SOMETHING is happening to it, relative to size, although maybe not the full 1/2 inch it seemed from measuring. I'd bet if I got hard right now, I'd still measure 7 1/2 which is still a 1/4 inch bigger than two weeks ago.

But again, probably just "re-filling" these spaces, more than actually gaining new dimensions. More like reclaiming old dimensions.

Mudrubble! That's exactly right---after another solid month or two, that "reclaiming of old dimensions," to quote from your post, will turn into cemented gains.

Sorry about misinterpreting your last post...about the staying erect during jelqs business. Ha ha! 20 minutes straight...that would be a long time to stay 80%+ erect...at least for strictly exercise-purposes anyhow :eek:
Then again, I've read about stranger things on the forum...

Anyway, renewing your erection the way you mentioned seems just right, so I'm glad that seems to be working for you.
30 or so minutes for 200 jelqs seems about right too. I know that others have written about taking a lot less time to do an even higher number of jelqs, but personally, I don't think they're doing them intensely enough...and/or renewing their erection enough between sets.
It takes me about 40 minutes to get in 200 jelqs...then again, it takes me longer to renew my erection between sets too (thanks in large part to the Zoloft).

Those different types of exercises you refer to---flaccid, semi-erect, fully erect---they all have their place in PEing. Personally, I don't see much point in doing anything other than flaccid PC flexes, erect/semi-erect jelqs, and flaccid stretches for quite some time. No need to get too fancy at this stage.

ROP has been written about a lot in the forum here...I think it's in this section too. Check that out if you need more info. on that topic, as I have no experience with it myself.

Glad to see you're making progress. I know what you mean when you say "Something's happening" (i.e. in your pants). I get that too, and I can just sense that growth is being stimulated---I just need to stay committed long enough and consistently enough to translate that into some solid gains.

Good luck, and keep up the good posts!
Big Vine