Megathread - Ejaculation and PE and In General

[smallboy]

i have read that the pub flex exercises can help to control ejaculation.

does it mean that i can hold "it" when i feel like blowing my load? is that safe? how long can one hold it"

[beneventor]

It is actually a bit more complicated than that. It does not mean that you can hold it in but rather that you do not have to hold it in because you are in control during the entire time (whether it is sex or masturbating). Where a lot of confussion lies is in the fact that flexing the PC muscle actually makes you ejaculate sooner. So the idea is to only periodically flex the PC during sex or masturbation, whereas most males keep it flexed almost the entire time. And even if you do not think you do, you probably do. Finally, you flex it just before and while you are ejaculating. This will result in more cum, shooting it farther, and it feeling a thousand times better. To answer your other questions, it is safe to do this but do not do what some people call injaculation where you keep going and stopping but never ejaculate. And theoretically, you could stay in control for hours.

[ravlin]

I was just noticing the other night while having sex that I do tend to keep the muscle flexed during intercourse. And then when I'm about to ejaculate, holding it tighter doesn't work so well. Next time I'll try to keep from flexing the PC muscle during sex. You mentioned that right when your ejaculating, you flex it to shoot farther. But, what if I don't want to ejaculate because she's not ready? Do I then flex it right before to hold of the ejaculation? I'm still confused about how to last longer. If I'm successfull with stopping the ejaculation, won't I just start to have one again when I continue having sex? Or will holding it back allow me to keep going? More help would be appreciated.

[jrtg]

Is that what is referred to as the kegel exercise, just holding that muscle in ??

[beneventor]

Yeah, kegel exercises and PC excercises are the same thing but you have to keep up with a consistant routine to make it work (refer to the PC exercises at the sites homepage).

[beneventor]

For the other member, your right. Holding it tighter will only make you finish sooner so flexing it before or during will not help. Unfortunatly, there is not any instant fix. It takes time, practice, and patients. The PC exercises are the most important. If you have not started them then do so and remember to only periodically tighten the PC during sex. Also, you do not have to stop during sex, just slow down (even before "the feeling" starts) and even if you do have to stop for a bit, that does not mean that you can not do a whole bunch of other things that will still be arousing, especially for her. I guess the most important thing to remember is that the chemical and biological components that lead up to ejaculating start even before our pants are down and continues until the big event occurs. So the control of it can not just start when "the feeling" starts. The control has to be there from the beginning. Also, just a note for anyone, if you can not last while masturbating, you will not be able to last while having sex.

[keyzzer]

Is it ok to ejaculate shortly before or shortly after a workout session?
I mean will it have any influence on how much will be gained from the exercises?

[smallboy]

darren seems to have said that masturbation will not affect the program so i would think that ejaculation (sex or masturbation) before and after the program should not have any effect on it.

anyway, i find it easier to do the long shlong with a limp penis (masturbation really helps!) and when i get really hard after milking and all the rest, jerking off, for me is a good way to end the session!!

what about you???

[keyzzer]

I have only been on the program for about a week now, so I am no really sure.

I have experienced no differenses from ejaculating briefly after a workout session, but I have difficulties keeping my erection for the entire workout (especially the jelqing) if I ejaculate shortly before the workout.

[pausydon]

Is making love ill-advised after a work out or on our 'day-offs'?

Thanks in advance,
John

[keyzzer]

The subject has been a up quite a few times now, and most agree that ejaculation does not interfere with your training results.

[gareth]

I always tried to avoid ejaculating a few hours before and after workouts when I was PEing.
There are two points to consider: After ejaculation your testosterone levels drop sharply and the connective tissues within the penis tighten.
So my advice would be to try not to - just to be sure you are not limiting your gains in any way.

[ajrferrari]

Hey,

There are many different views on this subject and i dont think that it has ever been resolved.

There are many that think that ejaculation after a workout is bad bcos it puts your penis into a 'sleepy' state which is not good for your growth. But then there are others that say that it is good bcos it floods you penis with blood and all the good stuff that is needed for growth.

I personally try not to ejaculate if i can possibly help it (which isnt often!! lol), but if i feel that i want to - i do!! Just go with the flow - there are guys that ejaculate that make massive gains, and there are guys that dont that also make massive gains. I dont really think it matters!!

[Darren PH Support]

Ok to improve this forum a little <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> I am starting a competition, these competitions will become regular items in the new forum.

Ok here is how it goes, to win a powerjelq courtesy of www.penis-health.com you have to leave a tip or something you have learnt about penis enlargement. The winners will be the top 5 tips. All winners will be announced in this thread on the 1st of September, Power Jelqs will be sent out on the same day and a FED EX number will be provided to track the delivery.

To keep things fair I will decide on the top 5 and I have also asked Ferrari to help as well.

SOME RULES: You must be a registered member of this forum to post. You may post as many tips/advice as you wish but in SEPERATE POSTS. The top 5 will be contacted via the email in there forum contact information for address etc.

Thats it <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

+ good luck.

[ajrferrari]

My icq aint working daz, could u email instead at ferrari@ferrarispad.com

Cheers

[jordo2k1]

ok i have loads of tips to any newcomers but ill try ta keep with the most helpfull ones.
never ever do to much !!!!
ur penis knows when it has ta stop pe and u should never think more work is more gainz
gainz take time no matter how hard u train,the best way ta get gains is simply read what ur penis is telling u ,,if ur penis is hurting or aching then stop leave it alone and rest
until u feel more comfortable and ready to exersize again,

[jordo2k1]

never measure ur penis after a work out,,its gainz are artificial and should not be read into..
allso many people measure there penis like once a week which i recomend not ta do allso..
i say once a month is fine and infact i find it helps gainz<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">
how u ask??
well heres how.. ur confidence in this program and vision for a bigger penis is all in ur mind and commitment right??
well measuring ur penis offten as most do actuly can lower ur confidence because ur not seing the gainz u want..if u measure ur penis every month ur gainz will seem so much more to u and encourage u to carry on and continue on this program

[jordo2k1]

i know this sounds stupid but i know myself that this works
after u have done a few months of pe try takin a week off or maybe 2,
give ur penis a nice few days off from the stress and then start up again..
this for some reason spurts ur gainz a little quicker again and for me has helped on a few occasions<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[jordo2k1]

prolly the simplest tip i have is dont be scared
we are all friends on this forum and other forums disscusing pe,were all men and were all after the same thing,,
i find the most important part of my pe is u guys who help me day by day..
first of all this site started me off and altho i have bin in controversey of it , it still gave me the advice and incouragement i needed ta see the gainz im getting now <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">
if theres ever a question or a problem u have, never feel scared ta ask anyone becuase chances are we have the answers <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[jordo2k1]

stay possitive at all times,,
this program fuckin works!!!!!
and so do ferraris and all u need ta do ta see it happen is stay focussed tell urself u want that dick bigger look at it and see it bigger ..
deafeating the negativity is defeating 90% of the problem
pe is easy and will work for u as long as u give it the time and possitive input it needs.

[jordo2k1]

ok summet i do at home with my gf ta get my head bigger try it and see what i mean lol
ok..
get ur penis erect or semi and pump as much blood using ur pc muscle as possible then trap it by using an o grip at the base and slowly move it towards ur head stopping near the ridge..
get ur girlfriend ta suck ur head as hard as she can and hold it..making sure shes suckin properly
(she should feel ur head expand extreamly)
then repeat..
piss easy and i have found it ta be effective.
this can make u cum very quickly so i advise u to do it at the end of ur pe routine or a few hours b4 it etc..
if no one has this exersize named id like to name it the
jordo mushroom suck <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[Darren PH Support]

all 5 go to jordo then! come on guys add some tipz.

[highlander]

Hi Darren,

I meant to post my total workout program with tips and advice as a response to your powerjelq contest. However I seem to have posted it as a new thread. So you can check it out there.
Hope that it does not cost me a powerjelq<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">
highlander

[ajrferrari]

Hi Darren,

Here is another unique Ferrari exercise, and one of the MANY tips i have given here over the months!! lol

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I was playin around the other nite and came across a great new head size exercise - dunno if anyone has used this before but here goes...

You do need to be quite long for this one, otherwise it will be a bit awkward (6 inch plus I estimate).

Get a 75% - 100% erection, pump ur pc muscle hard and then seal the blood into ur shaft by doing a tight tourniquet grip with either hand at the base. Then, simply start sliding ur other hand from as far down as u can go, right to the head with a nice tight ok grip.

When u reach the head, immedietly take ur hand off and start again at the base (being sure to keep ur tourniquet grip in place throughout). You should use a nice fast rythm so that u are basically filling ur head up with blood. The process is basically like jelquing but much faster and with a tourniquet grip instead - try to imagine urself rolling a condom on backwards (i.e - from the base upwards).

After about 15,20 strokes ur head/shaft will be huge and completely full of blood. Next, stop the jelquing motion, very slightly loosen ur base grip and immedietly pump ur pc with blood and then INSTANTLY clamp it off again - u dont want any blood to escape, but u want more in if u get what i mean?!

Then, sloooooooooowly slide ur base grip right up to the head, being sure to move slowly and make sure that u push all the blood along infront of ur grip. The pressure will be so great by now, that u may not even make it to the head before u literally 'run out of chamber space'!!!

When u reach the head (or close to it), pause and clamp ur hand tighter and hold it there for another 10 seconds. Then, and only then, let go completely - phew, thats an intense one!!! lol

This whole exercise should take quite a while and u will probably only be able to get a few done per workout, but it is a great one for head size, and mine is noticebaly increasing already!

As always, stay safe guys...

Ferrari

P.S - Begginers would be advised to leave this one WELL Alone!!

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So tell me, do i get a powerjelq Dazzle ? ! ? !

[jimid]

Let me start with a little background,I started PE about 1 1/2 yrs ago after learning about a free penis enlargment site on the net.The program didn't have a lot of information or fancy exercises.It was warm up,stretch 10 minutes and jelq 30 minutes six days a week 1 day off.I did get some small gains and notices harder erections(I should metion I also did 500-1000 pc flexes daily also).But due to marrital problems I gave up on the exercises after about a month.
Well now my problems are behind me and I still wanted a larger penis.So I searched the web and almost went with pills but decided if a pill could give you a bigger dick 90% of the men in world would be packin 8-10 inches (am I right).So I joined a online PE programs in hopes of getting clearer information and better results.And up to this point it as been great other than I could have got most of the information and forums for free,but what the hell I've got no hard feeling 50 bucks what the and with the gains I acheived it was worth 50 bucks.I started this program 1 month and 3 weeks ago,my starting measurerments were 6 1/8" length and 4 1/2" girth.After 3 1/2 weeks my measurements were up to 6 3/8" and 5" girth.Now after 1 month and 3 weeks I'm measuring 6 3/4" and 5 1/4".So now that were all up to date let me show my work out:

1.Warm-up:I always do my work out in the bath so i can be alone and get a warm-up,which I'm told is very important.I soak for 10 minutes in hot water and I do 3 set of 100 pc flexes to pass the time.
2.Strethces:5 sets of 60 second straight out,5 sets of 60 sec. staight up,5 set of rotating stretches,altenating directions,of 50 slow rotations.
3.Jelqing:10-15 minutes of intense jelqing with 60-70% erection,always using slow,controled strokes and kinda of pull in a downward motion.
4.Uli's:5 sets of these.Just incase some of you are familair with this exercise.You you get a 80-90%erection,get a overhand grip(back of hand up)make a ok sign at the base of penis,pump pc 3 time to fill shaft and head,slide ok sign toward the head.When you get half way up shaft stop and count 10,close middle finger tightly hold 10,close ring finger hold 10,then close pinky hold 10.Then 5 sets of the Ferrari squeezers.
5.440 horse squeeze:5 sets of these.For those who don't know these you start with a 80-90% erection.Clamp base of penis with palm down ok sign,pump pc to fill shaft and head.While still clamping make ok sign with free hand and tightly slide down over head forcing blood down into shaft.Sometime this hurts a little so I use the Ferrari slider blaster,clamp base with palm down ok sign,with other hand clamp just below head tightly and then pump pc till shaft ballons out,slowly move 2 hand on shaft toward each other.then whlie still hold shaft with both hands rotate and bend shaft,several times, futher expanding it,then repeat.
6.Use penis pump for 10 minutes.Haven't got any gain from this but wife likes temporary results and give penis a more veiny look and feel.
7.Warm down:10 minute soak in warm bath.
I also try to do several hundred pc flexes and pc flex holds a day.One exercise I like is to get full erection clamp penis in the middle of the shaft and do pc flexes very slowly and pump hard do ussauly 50 1-2sec. flexes and hold 20 sec on the 50th.This is a great pc workout and it seems my base is add girth due to this exersice.My base measurement was 4 5/8" now almost 5 1/2".

I guess I should mention that I take vigrex(not vigrx)that i got from vitiman world for 13.99 30 day supply.I dont think it makes the penis grow but can feel the blood flowing about 1/2 hour after taken,so i take it.I take l-agisine and l-lysine 500mg of each a day.And also flexon a tylenol product that my doctor gave me after surgury that promotes heathly joint,tendon,ligiment,and muscle growth.

Well i hope this helps and encourges some of you guys out there.I wish I had a pc camera to take some pic (before / after)but i will be getting one asap to document the rest of my journey to 8".I guess I just didn't think the gains would come this fast.Anywho remember that this wasn't my starting work out I took time to build up to this.If anything causes pain you must stop and take a week and try the exersice again.Some of these are not novice exersices so be careful.I guess with my weight lifting I just have learned over the years how to work hard enough to get a great workout but not to much as to cause injury and sometime thats a fine line.So be careful.The three most important things I've noticed that I can pass on are:1.warm up and warm down never attempt to exercise with out these 2 things they are critical to getting a full work out and preventing injury.2.hard work,dedication,and a positive attitude these 3 things are a must you will make it nowhere if you lack any of these.3.and the last thing is don't measure everyday you'll only get discourged I've made a start measure,a 3 week measure,and a 1 month 3week measure,and plan on doing 1 month between from here on out(also take 2 days off before you measure as to get a accurate measurement).



JiMiD

P.S. My shcedule is 3 on,1 off,3 on,1 off,3 on,1 off,3 on 2 off.

[highlander]

A Total workout program for length and girth gains
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Hi There,

My name is Highlander and I have been a member of penis health for about 2.5 months now. I will post a total workout routine that allowed me to gain 1.5 cm in length in four weeks and 0.7 cm in width a and also increased the size and thickness of the head.
I will try to put every ounce of knowledge concerning pe and physical fitness in here.

First of all understand that when you want to increase the size of your penis you need to understand why you want to do this. If it is because you desire it, then that is a good reason and will keep you motivated. If you want to do this because of someone else than that is the wrong reason. Your partner should accept you as you are, that is what real love is all about. In order to get great gains you need to make a plan and stick to it. If your a busy person you will need to plan your workouts. Also it may help to write down your reasons for doing pe and read them everyday. Be specific about the results you want (be realistic as well) and write those down. For example write down I will gain 2 cm in length in 8 weeks time and I will gain 0.5 cm in width in four weeks. Measuere were you are and where you want to be after the mentioned training period. This will keep you motivated. Also keep a log of your training exercises and the amount of time and the intensity of your workout. If you gain faster than aniticpated, change your goals, if you are not gaining fast enough then you can look at your training routine and quickly see what you need to do to get better results. Ofcourse you will also need to spend time on finding out more information about pe and need to understand that your training routine is your training routine and that you need to develop a training routine that works for you. Also don`t expect to gain an inch in three weeks or three inches in two months, This is highly unlikely and selfdefeating behaviour. PE WORKS but it takes time and HARD work in order to be succesfull. My first month my workouts lasted for over an hour, three days on and one day of.
I was surpised by how quickly I gained.
Also it may be a good idea to workout next to doing PE,
if you want to get in excellent shape. I advise you to take a look at the body for life program at www.bodyforlife.com.
Then there is the question of whether to use the penis pills or not, I don`t think you need them for great gains. However I will admit to using vigrx for the first six weeks, I don`t know whether they worked or not. I do know that I gained quickly during that period. I also know that I gained quickly after I gave up using those pills. It depends on how you look at pe, Before I became a member of penis health I was ripped of for 50 dollars by another site. Penis health only cost me 50 and the pills cost me 120 dollars. Personally I kinda laugh about it because it is a small amount of money for a much bigger dick I see it all as a kind of fun experiment which i dod not believe to be possible at first.
NOW on to the routine.

Start with four minutes of hot wrapping, the water needs to be hot, not to hot but hot nontheless. (this warmups better than taking a shower!
Then I do the bloodbending warmup, grab the base of your semierect penis flex your pc muscle to pump in the blood. squeeze the base HARD and use your other hand to bend fowards, for 12 seconds and to the left for 12 seconds and to the right for 12 seconds. Do this routine 3 times with your left hand at the base and then switch it around and do it 3 times. There are a few variations,
you can do the 12 seconds bending while flexing your pc muscle (not for beginners) and you can also do the bending wihile using your free hand to squeeze the blood out of the head and into the middle and then make sure that for those 12 seconds the blood cannot go back into the head by squeezing with both hands. This can also be combined with the pc flex. (not for beginners)
In between the reps dp short and quick restperiods of 15 seconds, relaease the tension in your squeeze hand a little so that you can felx your pc muscle and pump more blood in. Do this exercise with a semierect penis. It is a very good warmup exercise and great for girth.
Also remember to switch hand because we want to increase girth on both side of the penis so that it remains symmetic.
Next stand and shake your dick loosely and rest for 50 seconds and go on to do the jelq. Make sure you stand and get a semi erect penis. Also make sure you have a porn movie on so that you can maintain the semierect penis some will have trouble with this if they don`t. Use a good lubricant that stays wet during the exercise.
Rub it on your dick and balls and if you have a lot of hair than rub it bit of it on that too. Grab the base of the penis and squeeze hard and put your other hand in front of it. You need to understand that you need to jelq HARD in order to get good results, don`t stroke it like a cat. Immediatley after you start stroking use the other hand to grab the base hard. This will cause a double pump of blood. Also don`t just jelq with the ring, use your WHOLE HAND. This combined with the double pump effect will make your dick huge. one stroke should last between 2and 5 seconds and doing this will cause your arm muscles to be sore after those 20 mins. and you will be sweating, hey if you want results you gotta work hard. I prefer to stand and focus on the jelqing and think about the results while doing it. Tip have a cup of water nearby so you can take a quick sip without loosening the grip at the base ofcourse. Put a towel underneath your feet so that the sweat does not fall on the floor and your feet remain dry. pause for a minute and shake that thing, if done properly it will be a lot bigger and you will have bloodspots in the beginning, do not worry they will go away. Now on to the stretching routine, I do the long shlong 20 seconds to the front, 20 to the left and 20 to the right. I use an overhead grip. with one hand. Variations are to do the strecht slights pulling downward, very effective and the more advance would be to really pull it downward so that it almost seems as if your hand is pulled into your dick this allows for great pressure. Do the long shlong 7 sets and rest 30 sec in between and don`t forget to massage the head a bit because it will look a bit thinner because of the stretch.
Do this after the jelq because your penis will already be bigger. Also remember to take the lube of your dick and hands or else it will be to slippery
Then the girth routines,
The first I do is a modified ferrari exercise that resembles bloodbending and I use the second variation on the bloodbending I wrote about earlier, I call it arj blood.
again do it for three sets with the left at base and three with the right at base. Important because we want more girth and remain semmytric. If you do this correctly your girth will look HUGE during the exercise again do this with proper pressure. ( beginners may start ou with the first variation of the bloodbending) and for the advanced do this while flexing the pc musle during the bending and do not forget to pump more blood in between the rest periods of about 30 secs max.
After this one rest for 45 seconds and we move on to the ferrari head squeeze and here to I have modified it slightly. Grab the base of your semierect penis with one hand and flex the pc so a lot of blood goes into it.use an overhead grip with the other hand near the base hand. Your thumb should be closest to the base. squeeze with the first finger HARD for 5 seconds then the second for five sec and the third and the fourth in the same manner. Dont forget to squeeze hard at the base as well. This will BALLOOON your head big time when you have all fingers gripping your penis hold it for 25 seconds. This also increases length and girth.. Loosen the base squeeze and pump in more blood rest for 30 secs. You can massage your head a little to keep it semi erect. do this 7 or 8 times if you are advanced.
After this rest for one minute and do the head squeeze,
grab the base and repeat the same procedure of flexing the pc muscle, however for this exercise you need a full erect penis.Hold the base and make a small circle with the other handabout 1 cm and push down ove the head of your penis, use lube and push the blood into the middle. Your girth will balloon and hold for 30 secs when your hand is underneath the head. do this 8 times.
Rest for a minute and get an erection and do pubflexes for example i did 9 sets of twenty and the last one i would hold for either 10,15 or 20 seconds depending on how advanced you are. You can also do the pubs at another time for example when you are in the train. You do not necessarily need a full erection for these and a warmup is not needed either It can save you time. Cool down with a hor wrap do this for about 5 min if you can a slightly longer cool down will speedup your gains, And if possible do this instead , take a shower and take the shower head into your hand, make sure that the water is hot (not to hot but hot ) hold you penis and make sure that you have your fingers placed directly over the head. So that you will not get the hot water on your head directly. Spray hot water over your penis for five minutes, this is a much more effective cooldown.
If there are times that you miss a workout that is to bad, but don`t make yourself crazy about missing one, noone is perfect. After a while you might find out that you have reached a plateau. Take a few weeks rest, my penis gained 0.5 cm in length when I stopped this very intensive program and my girth has remained as well. Also remember to eat healthy. It might be a good thing to take a whey protein shake after a workout. It gave me the feeling that i gained quicker and even if it did not hellp those proteins helped me gain more muscle from working out in the gym. And ofcoiurse if you do the jelqing right your arms will have become bigger as well.
Also do not be afraid to experiment, for example I am more charmed of the arj blood and the headsqueeze than the third side blaster, nontheless it is very effective. I also thikn it is important not to obsess about this, see it as a game, even now I am amazed at achieving a bigger penis and I think it is very funny.
Also I f you don`t have the time shorten the workout,
I am gonna start again soon and I will then do a 10 min Really hard jelq session, 5 min long shlong and then either the arj blood or head squeeze. I do the pubs in the metro Dont worry i keep my clothes on. Ofcourse a powerjelq would make it easier nudge nudge wink wink
I would like to end by thanking Darren and Ferrari for their insight which allowed me to make my own program and boy it does work.
ps I would like to see people`s respoinses and if necessary I will answer question.
Highlander
ps Darren if you consider this to be good enough to win a powerjelq, i am a penis health member but under a different name. my emailadress is kjusmaximus@hotmail.com
If anybody has any questions pertaining to this post kindly ask your questions here and `not on my emailadres.
OH yeah I have given you everything you need to get a bigger penis, are you gonna do it? If you don`t you might as well start a friggin antfarm!!!!

[Darren PH Support]

wow some excellent advice here guys keep it coming, Highlander i deleted ur other threads. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

[98accord]

wassup everyone,

well i know im new here but i figured i might as well try to get one of those poew jelq's aqs well. i was gonna order one but if i can win one for free i might as well try.

i know im new to this whole PE thing but i have found a few things out myself that helped me already. one thing that i have found very helpful is being to communicate with all these other people(you guys) going after the same thing as me(a bigger penis). being able to talk with you guys has helped me not only in knowing what to do but also in giving me the confidence to keep believing to continue my workout. it feels good having people keep telling you to keep going even though u want to stop. also feel comfortable asking us questions because almost 100% of the time ,one of the many of us that there are will have an anwser.my last and other suggestion is supplements. taking supplements can dramtically increase your gains. for me i know this helped my gains.my workout consistsw of this:

4 min warm up with hot cloth
5 min sit on the penis and stretch(2 1/2 mins on each side of testacles)
5 min hold and pull straight down to floor
10 helicopters each direction(10 to left,10 to right)
pull out straight(3 sets of 30 secs.)
15 min of very hard,slow jelqing
2 reps of penis bending(one hand below head,hold pc muscle,then put hand on base,squeeze and flexpc muscle for 10 secs., then bend down,to left,and to right)
10 reps of five finger squeeze(5 secs, per finger)
and finish off with the head exercise
then take a nice hot shower for 10 mins just letting the water hit my penis the whole time for a veery good cooldown
once i get out and get dried i apply pure vitiman E oil to my penis and testis.

also remember that i take these supplements daily:

1. L-arginine(amino acid that helps stimulate blood flow to penis)

2. horny goat weed ( helps achievemany erections)

3. vig-rx(supoports sexual stamina and promotes blood flow to to the penis)

all three help supplement growth and help achieve much quicker gains.
i also run 2 miles a day to help keep healthy and produce better blood flow throughtout the body.

well this is my attempt to win a power jelq . even if i dont win i hope this helps some people or even gives confidence to newcomers. good luck and keep with it. and remember(this is a saying that i have not seen on any forum yet so i will claim this to be my own) GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!! =O)~D

[lilsamson]

Damn u guys r tryint waays too hard. HE said he wanted excercise TIPS not excercise MANUALS!

Well anyways, here is lilsamsons tip: Before starting your PE workout, be sure to 'shave the shaft'. You can leave your hairy nuts if ya like, but u gotta 'shave the shaft'.

This will prevent any pain you may get from stroking your pubicles. Also, sometimes when u jelq, if your hairs are too long, you can end up pulling those with the milking action. This results in you pulling the skin of which your pubes is attached to, which then results in much pain.

So lilsamsons tip is, 'shave the shaft'.

OK, can i have my powerjelq now?

[jordo2k1]

ok just summet ta help me get a damn pj lol
i have a broken arm and unable ta exersize for a while so it would come in handy hint hint lol
anyways here goes
ok get ur penis between 70 - 100 % errect then start pumping ur pc muscle after a few pumps use and o grip around ur penis about an inch from the base.
and continue to do pc flexes to pump blood into ur dick while holding the grip.
this helps to prevent ur base thining out..
jordo

[jordo2k1]

ok i learnt this a while back and its quite affecteive if u do it correctly..
ok while having sex with ur partner when u feel the urge ta cum or are at the point u feel that u will cum soon,
take ur hand and take a hold of ur testicles and gently but firmly pull down on em ...
i use this if im doin the missionary posistion , i hold my body up with my left hand and pull down on my sack firmly with my right hand..
summet ta try it may feel weird at first but it can work wonders if done properly
ps... dont pull quickly or full strength as u may cause realy serious pain..
jordo

[powmow]

hey guys, just thought i would post this tip.

i have been doing PE for about a month now and i have gained 3/8 of an inch in length and 1/2 an inch girth, and i think one of the main reasons that contributed to this was my motivation. motivation is one of the most important factors when trying to do PE. i also told my girlfriend and she is really supportive and helps to motivate me alot as well. its really great to hear your chick say things like " wow, its grown since i last saw you" and "you've been working hard". this just makes me want to do it more and more. so get motivated guys, just think how much more confidence and self-esteem you'll have when it does grow! also visualization helps as well, when your doing PE keep telling yourself "its getting bigger, longer, thicker and fatter"!!! i'm telling you guys it really does work!!! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">

[jordo2k1]

ok easy enough but very rewarding
while manual stretching(especialy the behind the leg stretch) thrust ur pelvis forward while pulling ur penis behind u ..
this creates a majour stretch and real increases the work out considerably <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">
jordo

[Artist]

Hello Darren:

My tip revolves around stretching. I have been doing your warm up stretching and the long shlong methods. I also have followed the forum for many months and tried many techniques as told about in the forum. I particularily like Ferrari's methods of stretching where you sit on your penis etc. However, I wanted to have an easier & more prolonged way if that were possible.
I started to look for any information on stretching, hanging etc. products. I noticed that most of the devices used for stretching involved putting a lot of pressure on the tip of the penis either
with bands of rubber or something to catch behind the ridge of the head.

I tried variations of bib hangers etc. I have now come up with my own varition of ferairis stretching exercise.

My new procedure revolves around Velcro. I will give the procedure I use & the routine which I have been doing.. My procedure leaves a world of interpretation for any user to experiment to get the best individual result.

The main thing about this method is to be comfortable so as not to hurt oneself.
The three things I was looking for in stretching were comfort, sustained stretching without tiring, and increased safe pulling or weight addition.

The technique in a nutshell: Wrapping of a flaccid penis around the center of the shaft with a soft stretchable material and using 2 velcro strips that are wrapped but left hanging on both sides of the penis shaft with which to pull or hang weights.
Benefits: Provides for a comfortable way to pull or hang weights to stretch evenly the sides of the penis without putting pressure on the delicate top side & head of the penis.

The whole key to this procedure is to find a comfortable wrapping technique. Most of the commercial stretching or hanging products still involve wrapping first.

The materials used:

1. Velcro: The Velcro to buy is the kind that has an adhesive on the back to apply to smooth surfaces. It comes on a strip with a fuzzy side & a hook side both with adhesive on one side. Cut equal amounts of both fuzzy & hook strips. Adhere a fuzzy strip adhesive to the adhesive of the hook strip. You are now left with a velcro strip that has a fuzzy side and a hook side. You now have an adjustable bind that attaches to itself. You need two of these finished strips cut to a length of 12" to 15" approx. The rest of the Velcro can be used later or made into smaller strips.

2. Ace reusable wrist bandage or soft wrapping material.
3. Round Barbells 2-1/2 lb. or less with hole in middle or other appropriate weights.

Technique:
1. The penis should be as flaccid as possible & you are going to need baby powder not lubrication. Grasp the head and stretch out as you usually do. Now wrap the center of the shaft with something soft or made out of rubber ie. bathing cap, balloon, etc. Take a piece of velcro with the soft fuzzy side down and encircle the material & shaft and close tight but comfortable. The hook side is now facing up around the penis.

2. Take an Ace elastic reusable wrapping like you use for a wrist. I use one that is 2" wide with a velcro fastener on one end. Wrap the penis middle with the wrap. The wrap will stick to the velcro that you had previously put on. Now continue to wrap the penis a number of times. Do not wrap the head.

3. As you wrap, you are now going to place a velcro strip on each side of the penis and continue wrapping. The fuzzy side of the velcro should face into penis so as not to scratch the head of the penis. The hook velcro side will catch on to the wrap. Continue to wrap until the end of the wrap and fasten with its velco end or a piece of velcro you made. You now have your penis wrapped with the Ace bandage and with 2 velcro strips on either side and extending down 6 or 7 inches. The penis head can be seen. You will need to watch the head to make sure it is not squeezed or is turning too red.

Before I proceed I would just like to say the hardest thing I found was not getting an erection with all this wrapping. You will just have to experiment. If you just relax the penis will go flaccid and stretching will also help in this regard. You don't want to stretch wilh an erect penis, you could hurt yourself.

If you are still with me I will explain some great techniques which the velcro allows you to use.

First Procedure: Take the hanging velcro strips and attach them together. You now have a convenient handle with which to stretch your penis with. When you have everything right you can pull on the velcro and that will in turn pull evenly along the sides of the penis without any one spot taking all the pressure The idea in stretching is to stretch the ligaments & sides of the penis. You can sustain a long constant stretch will little effort. You can follow all of Ferrari's methods: You can stretch down, up, sideways, under etc. You will feel the stretch & when you have the right pressue with no pain you can hold it for a long time..

You should feel pressure but no pain. If you feel pain than maybe your wrap is slipping or you have it too tight. Like I said you have to find the right wrapping technique that works for you.

Hanging Procedure: Take a barbell weight with a hole in center, I use 2-1/2lb weights. Take the Velcro strip apart and insert one end of the strip through the hole of the barbell. Now attach the other Velcro strip to the one coming through the hole.
Now sit on an edge of a chair and let the barbell hang down stretching your penis.
Again you should feel pressure & stretching but not pain. The reason for barbells is that you can accurately add weight and know how much you are working with. I can go to 10lbs. However, I usually work in lower ranges depending on how I workout.

Hanging Routine: Just sitting there was boring and time consuming so I came up with a procedure that allows me to do weight training like a weight lifter might do. Heres what I do....
I start swinging the weight between my legs. You can do a little or a lot. You just have to get the weights swinging by shifting your body forward & back a couple of times. Now start counting each time the weight swings back under your body. That is where you will feel the stretch each time. You now have an accurate way of counting how many repetitions and the time spent.
At first you might try swinging for 25 times with 2-1/2lbs. You can gradually increase to 200 or more & also increase the weight. Go slowly and after a few minutes unwrap and check your penis and maybe massage with some vitamin E oil. It helps with tissue repair.

I think I gave enough info for one post. This technique could be used with your other exercises or by itself. If you have any questions I will answer them through the forum. You might try looking at the web sites that feature hanging products such as a bib hanger. They have all the technical data and facts about stretching. Always learn more about the subject before attempting any technique.

Artist

[Darren PH Support]

umm we need more tips, contest as been expanded to the 10th of september due to popular demand, it will not be expanded any further

[jordo2k1]

ok heres another ..
its just a warm up thing i do
after the hot wrap warm up take ur penis in the palm of both hands and simply rubb it as if ur rolling a pencil inbetween both hands ,, get me???
(like u did with play dogh in school lol ta make the sausage shape)
this just warms the tissue and i think helps me a little while doin my warm up
jordo

[Darren PH Support]

4 days to go and winners will be announced.

[Artist]

Hello Darren: I started your course on May 14, 2002 and was 5-1/2", I am now at 6-1/2". Most of the increase was due to The Jelq. You asked for a tip or something I learned about PE.

I would like to share some knowledge and a tip about the most important infomation I have ever gotten.
I am talking about being a multi-orgasmic man. The heart of the technique is the PC exercise which is a big part of your system. I have been using PC exercises for 5 years.

Definition of a multi-orgasmic man: A man who can have two or more orgasms in a row without resting. He does not lose his ability to stay erect after his first orgasm. He does not need to rest. He can if he wants to but he doesn"t have to stop. He is capable of continuing to make love immediately after orgasm.

Through the right techniques and a loving partner any man can achieve prolonged love making to satisfy himself and his partner.

The secret to becoming a multi-orgasmic man lies in learning to have a COMPLETE ORGASM WITHOUT EJACULATING.

Without ejaculating there is no down time. There is no significant loss of erection, leaving you free to continue having intercourse until you reach the point where you are ready and want to have an orgasm WITH SIMULTANEOUS EJACULATION.

I know this may be hard to believe, but orgasm and ejaculation in males are two separate things. Yes, they typically occur together, and yes, it feels as though they are a package deal. But they are not inseparable. Learn how to separate them and you are on your way.

Sounds impossible......,
but if you have been doing PC exercises you are more than half way there.

I have been doing PC exercises with the proper techniques for 5 years and am multi-orgasmic having up to four orgasms in a session. I was taught the proper techniques from a doctor.
If you did not know, there are two ways to being a multi-orgasmic man.
One is through control: Using your PC muscles to control ejaculation. The other technique uses
sound or voice tone & is rooted back to biblical times. This approach take a much longer time to master. So for right now the PC approach can be achieved faster and you are already doing it. It just needs refinement and the proper techniques to reach the proper control.

If you could satisfy your partner for 10, 20, 30 minutes or more and you are only 5", Your partner won't care if you reach 9". However, why not have both.

All of this Secret technique is right in your hand. Well actually, you don't even use your hand. You can develop the technique in broad daylight, standing on line at a bank or ordering food, driving a car or at the office...no one will know you are developing your abilities.
The first exercise is: Three times a day, flex the PC twenty times. Hold it for one or two seconds each time, then release. That's it, twenty squeezes, three times a day for three weeks. You are not trying for an erection, so relax and let your penis respond naturally to these exercises. In three weeks I will share the next step..

Continue to do the PC EXERCISES, that is the KEY to becoming a Superman.

Does this sound like this would be of interest to anyone out there? Let me know if there is any interest out there and I will share what I have learned.

Artist

[jordo2k1]

lubricants are disscussed greatly as of late and i have chosen my favourite from the bunch
i used ta use baby oil,shaving gel,ky jelly,even the new ky oils..
but my favourite by far is baby lotion yes yes thats right baby lotion not oil but baby lotion lol..
its nice and slick is great wet and smells fuckin nice 2 lol
it allso has helped sooth any bruising or pain and is makin my penis skin nice and soft (like a babys ass) lol so ya thats my tip try baby lotion its my fav at the mo untill summet else comes along
ps.. it softens the skin great so when u stretch after u have jelqed its that much easier and may even help u stretch further
jordo

[jordo2k1]

please please please tell me i won a pj for my hard efforts ?? lol

[mudpuddle]

I just started and ran into trouble with hair..
Good advise I just shaved to night thanks..

[cwstewy]

please tell me more about how to get multiple O's... i kind of understand what you mean about seperating orgasm and ejaculation, I am close but still just out of reach. Please post your plan as a new post. Thanks dude
cwstewy

[cascas]

did anyone win these in the end?

[Daz MN Support]

sure did 5 lucky guys did, off hand I know JORDO got one, Jimad got one and I think Artist got one, 5 in total. Running similiar comps soon.

[cascas]

cool i'll be looking forward to that :D

[Artist]

Hello cascas

This is Artist. I sure did receive one. It is great. I love it.

I started the program in May 2001. I was 5.5 inches in length &
4-7/8" in girth. I am now 5-3/8" in girth and almost 7 inches in length.

This is big for me. The program works.

The power-jelq along with the program makes an unbeatable combination.

I have pictures to prove it too.

Best regards Darren

Artist

[Daz MN Support]

Artist u have pictures mate? can u e-mail them to me? darren@penis-health.com it would be much appreciated mate , also do u like the new site?

[colonel]

After performing some excercises (specifically, the jelq, the long
schlong and the horizontal) even for one day, I find that my
ejaculations are less powerful.

a) Is this normal?
b) Will my ejaculations return to normal?

[Edward]

Yes, It will return to normal.

To assist this performance in ejaculation, it would suit you best to exercise the pc muscle.

If you are just a beginner, then 50-100 pc reps. per day would be good until you can work your way up...eventually to 400 pc reps per day.

If you would like more information on the pc muscle and the benefits that come with exercising it, just click on the following link: PC exercises, flexes & Male Multiple Orgasms (http://www.mens-network.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=329)

Good Luck
:)

[cascas]

tonight i decided to see if i could hold back ejaculation by tensing the PC muscle as artist described. when i came i tensed the muscle hard and no semen came out at all, i still got the muscle contractions and stuff... anyway straight after i felt like i would feel if i had ejaculated normally, my dick went limp and i was not horny any more etc... whats going on?

[Unregistered]

have u seen any results yet cascas?????

[cascas]

nope

[Thomas]

I'm brand new - like 1 hour new - and I'm eager to learn as much as I can. I'm 43 years old and experiencing more than my fair share of aging symptoms sexually. I have a pacemaker and have in recent years realized some difficulty maintaining a prolonged erection during intercourse. The only thing more miraculous than Viagra, in my book, would have been if I'd bought the damn stock before they announced it's availability. My 32 year old girlfriend has on the average 6 to 10 orgasms during our lovemaking and is more than just content. :cool:
I, on the other hand, feel self conscious that I have some difficulty acheiving orgasm and then, when I do, the ejaculation is sometimes weak and less than the average teaspoon, if I follow the estimates of some related internet sites. :(
Are there proven supplements I can buy that would noticeably increase the amount of ejaculate? I would sorely appreciate any constructive advice on this. Thanks.

-tom

[Edward]

:) Hi Thomas – Welcome to the Mens-Network Forum.

You’ve come to the right place for your questions, because we have lots of members with lots of support. There is a vast amount of information here throughout the forum, so kick back, relax, and take your time as you explore the many questions, comments, and opinions of your fellow members.

Life has a way of throwing at us, more curve balls than we would like, and you are not alone. So relax my friend because we are here to help you get the information you need…one way or another.

I too am 43 years old, and am waiting the day when I am the one to be envied by others, when I can mention to my fellow members and colleagues, the glory of spending time with a woman such as yours.

While I understand your troubles with wanting to reach your orgasms with ez, I can’t help but wonder why you are concerned with the amount of sperm you are producing? Unless of course your intentions is to impregnating your girlfriend. Tom, my friend, you are placing a burden upon yourself that is not necessary for the sake of enjoying the simple pleasures of your relationship with your girlfriend.

You say that you are brand new. Are you referring to the Mens-Network Forum? –Or- To the Mens-Network PE program and/or it’s affiliates?

Regardless, I think you might find the following link to be interesting and informative: PC exercises, flexes & Male Multiple Orgasms (http://www.mens-network.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=329)

;) Good Luck.

Does anyone else have some good advice for our friend?

[phenom]

The short version is no you shouldn't. :( The reason is because when you ejaculate, your body goes through several chemical and physical changes which can diminish your results. For instance, when you ejaculate, your blood testosterone levels begin to drop and your penile connective tissues constrict as well.

Therefore, it is best to wait at least 2 hours after completion of the workout before ejaculating. It is equally important not to ejaculate for at least 2 hours before exercising. And under no circumstances should you ejaculate DURING your workout. This will definitely impede your progress. If you develop the urge to ejaculate while exercising, i would suggest that you pause until your urge has subsided - then you can resume where you left off.

Just my two cents-:D

[Thomas]

Thank you, Edward. I'm new to the Mens-Network Forum and an affiliate PE program.
I'm extremely self-conscious about all of this so you'll please pardon me if I sound awkward. I'm trying to be discreet here at home, so I've only been able to read a dozen or so posts in the limited time I've had free to browse alone. You gotta give me some credit, getting a quad pentium NT server into the closet at 1:00am wasn't exactly an easy task. :)
So why is ejaculation quantity a concern? We're not considering any more children so pregnancy isn't a concern. I think it's a matter of virility for me. I don't know, perhaps I'm trying to reach back to when I was 18 years old and capable of multiple orgasms in one evening.
I can honestly say that PE is not one of my primary goals for joining this program nor for visiting this forum. I'm primarily interested in sexual health and learning all I can about the related pshysiology, exercises, nutrition, and supplements to restore and maintain as much sexual vigor as possible as I grow older.
I've never had a problem pleasing my partners and I still don't for that matter. I'm embarrassed to say, however, that I've lost the stamina I once had and cannot maintain for any length of time. Viagra turns me into Superman and that's just too cool. Without it though I have very little confidence in myself as a lover. I find myself avoiding the bedroom and that's just gotta be a train wreck somewhere along the line.
Since I have some cardiac issues, I'm wondering if a PE program won't help improve some blood circulation and lessen the E.D. affect. I don't know. It certainly can't hurt.
Regarding ejaculation quantity, I find it amusing that you'd ask me why that is a concern of mine. Don't all men think about it? Really. I thought all men wanted these volumous, volcanic orgasms. I'm not at all concerned with how much sperm is produced, although I'm sure that's just a technicality. I'm only concerned with the volume of the fluid produced and the force with which it is ejaculated.
I guess in the end I'm really looking to improve my sexual health and function as much as I can and, in the process, leave my girlfriend gasping even more than she already does and feeling like she was just attacked by the Stay Puff Marshmallow man. :)
I do welcome and actually wait anxiously for more information. Thanks again. -tom

[Mobydique]

Just to give my own quick comment on ejaculation volume...

I'm one of those people who don't care about it. Let's take a few scenarios:

1. She's giving me head.
Seems to me that she'd rather I don't have much to give her.

2. I come inside her.
Does anyone really notice how much ejaculate there is in this case?

3. I come on her.
Maybe I would care in this case...if it were for a porn. Heh. But no, it's just more cleaning up to do, IMO.

HOWEVER, it does seem that more ejaculate results in a longer/better orgasm. HOWEVER (again), delaying the orgasm in the first place yields the same/better results anyway.

[Daz MN Support]

phenom interesting post, you got any info to back this up? We are asked this question many times.

[phenom]

What type of backup are you looking for Daz? Are you looking for some medical finding or something like that? I read a lot and I can't remember where I found it, but I will find it and the medical proof that your looking for.:cool

[phenom]

This is just phase one of my project. I'm basically trying to show that there is a drop in blood testosterone after ejaculation. Phase II will be trying to show how that ties into penis enlargement. The only way I think I can tie those two together is through the penis enlargement community and I don't think you will except that so I will try to find some doctor who believes in penis enlargement.

Jiang M.
Department of Life Science, Hangzhou Normal College, Hangzhou 310020; E-mail: jiangmy@mail.hz.zj.cn

The purpose of this study was to determine the changes in sex hormone level in men after ejaculation. The serum testosterone( A test that measures the amount of testosterone in the blood) concentrations of 28 male volunteers were investigated daily during abstinence period after ejaculation. We found that fluctuations of testosterone levels from day 2 to day 5 of abstinence were minimal. On day 7 of abstinence, a peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline (P<0.01). After the peak, no regular fluctuation was observed. Ejaculation was the premise and beginning of the 7 days' periodic phenomenon. If there was no ejaculation, there was no periodical changes in serum testosterone level. These results indicate that the periodic change in serum testosterone level is caused by ejaculation.

PMID: 12506329 [PubMed - in process]

[Champs]

I used to work my PC muscles in the past but gave it up. When I used them I felt more like ejaculating than staying longer (I know I am not the only one who experienced this problem).
Eventually a (very good) sex therapist could explained me why!
:D
The PC is made of different muscle fibres. When you squeeze the front part of your muscle you successfully prevent the ejaculation, diffusing the sexual energy back into your body. If you squeeze the rear part of your PC (equivalent of squeezing your anus) you push your (ass +lower back) energy against the sex, stimulating the ejaculation. It's like going down a slope with a bicycle. If you use your front brake, you will flip and end up even quicker at the bottom of the hill, but if you use your rear brake you will successfully slow down your bike (except it's the opposite for PC muscles).
So when you train your PC, try to squeeze more the front part!

[Xolotl]

Good advice, I'll do that. thanks

[tigerbartlett]

For some individuals, this may be a challenge to do.

To make it easier, employ the technique whereby the placing of your finger(s) onto the PC muscle allows the mind-muscle relationship, by touch stimulation, to effectively squeeze the PC muscle! It is easier this way, rather than thinking that you are exercising the PC muscle; or even if at all, you are in fact actually squeezing the PC muscle.

Doing it this way, at least in the beginning until it becomes easier to do, will make sure that you will exercise the PC muscle, and not some other muscle that you may think is the PC muscle!

[IHitThatBox]

Not to purposefully contradict either Champs or Tigerbartlet, but I find things somewhat different in my opinion. During sex or masturbation, your nervous system is working triple time. All feelings and sensations during sex are augmented and deeper. So to not seem haughty by disagreeing with a sex therapist, I will say his explanation to you is simply incomplete. True, it is the equivalent of flexing your anus (or however you want to phrase it), but there are a lot of nerves back there. Hence the whole idea behind 'the receiver' getting pleasure out of homosexual sex, men (straight or gay) getting erect while crapping, or even that euphoric feeling you get after a nice dump (that's actually air escaping into your ass as it tries to close after your excrement clears it). So it's actually those nerve endings rubbing together as the muscle flexes that causes ejaculation. I work both 'front' and 'rear' PC muscle fibers, but I concentrate on the one that makes my penis 'jump', and the other sometimes when I'm doing my regular PC exercises... As far as the PC muscle being properly worked, I first located it with the 'penis jump' technique, and probed a finger around my gooch until I found where the muscle was that made my penis 'jump', and then I used a visual while PEing until I was comfortable with doing it in the car, at work, etc. Just letting everyone know that's not the only way...

I should get a job here... lol.

[newkid]

I think its pretty difficult if not impossible to discriminate between anterrior and posterior contraction of the PC Muscle. You have to remember that the muscle is innervated by a set of nerves that trigger a whole contraction.

A stronger PC muscle has indisputable benefits. I have been on PH for just over 2 weeks and agree that erections get a boost! I'm only 23 and so did not have problems with erections anyway, but PC hypertrophy definitely helps. I would be interested in hearing of anyway in delaying ejaculation/orgasm by using the PC muscle since it seems physiologically impossible!

NEWKID

[IHitThatBox]

Agreed. I've had people tell me that PC flexes stop you from orgasming by effecting the nerve endings in your penis somehow, but they couldn't tell me anything solid. My thought on it is that it's a mental thing. You get used to doing the PC flex in the position most guys flex it in. Sitting down. So in an awkward position (or seemingly so to when you usually do a PC flex) takes more concentration than a normal PC flex. That's how it has been in my experiences. But that takes away from the sexual experience to me. I don't want to think of sports or any shit like that OTHER than what's happening in front of me during sex. Here's a free tip guys, if you have a problem with premature ejaculation or ejaculation control... It's mental. Don't blame it on something else, it's all mental. Don't think about other stuff during sex to control your ejaculation, either. Most guys concentrate on the orgasm aspect of sex, whether you realize you are doing it or not. Concentrate on the sensations. How her skin feels. The look in her eyes. Study her breathing patterns (not too intently now). Personally, I work on getting her off first, because what really pushes my buttons, and I mean to the point where I can't HELP but ejaculate, is when she gets off. That's usually how sex ends... The girl gets hers, and while she's going on her ride on the orgasm train, there I go too... Don't be fooled by moaning or facial expressions alone, guys. I've only had two or three girls I couldn't get off, and I could TELL they were faking. They just happened to need a tongue to orgasm...

[upinarms]

I'm just curious as to whether it is ok to ejaculate after doing PE Exercises?

[Edward]

:) Greetings upinarms - Welcome to the Mens-Network Forum.

It is recommended that you reframe from ejaculating on the days you do PE exercises. Try to wait for your days off. However, if you feel that you cannot control yourself, the alternative recommendation is to wait at least 3-hours after performing PE exercises.

This same advice also pertains to sharing sexual pleasures with your partner.

[wohoo19m]

My advice to you my friend would be to wait for our off days or as long as you can before having any kind of sex with your gal . Do you know why porn stars shoot such huge loads ? It's because they don't ejaculate prior to filming for a period of time . I can even attest to that . I controled myself and I hadn't ejaculated in 4 days but when I did , my girlfriend wanted me to cum in her mouth for the first time (but didn't in the end). After I had came , she was like "There's no way I could of taken all of that in my mouth !!" :D

[IHitThatBox]

Ok, I used to get really intense orgasms where when I climaxed, a mostly clear liquid would spray/squirt out of my penis followed by a thicker white liquid pumping out (not dripping, but not with as much force as the initial 'spray'. For a long time, the white stuff just dripped out (I think it was mostly because I was just masturbating to climax a lot). I am happy to report that so far with PSP I have noticed a GOOD swelling (the kind caused by man-juice being produced more and faster) in the testicular area and the intense orgasms/spraying have returned. What I am wondering though is what kind of ejaculate volume/color/consistency others are experiencing, and if my dual discharge is normal. I think I remember reading that sperm is actually clear and the white stuff is actually something added by another gland that connects the Vas Deferens to the urethra or something. But I also think I read that it MIXES the sperm and white liquid, so why is it that I am spraying both? lol. I mean, it's cool to be able to pull out and spray a girl on her chin/face from her pelvic area and then have thick white stuff plop out on her lower abs or pubic hair... But I just want to know if other guys find this to be the norm with them as well...

Also, I want it to shoot farther, faster, and harder than it already does... Any tips on how to achieve this besides the PC flexes I'm already doing?

[ebon00]

I'm not too up on the difference in content of the two liquids but as far as I know, this is rather common. For most people this depends on the level, and duration, of arousal. If you just go quickly jerk off in the bathroom you'll usually only see the whiter stuff. I think the clearer liquid is a buildup from the prostate gland but I'm not sure.

[IHitThatBox]

Wow, thanks for the quick reply on this Ebon.

Anybody else have any input for me?

Also, you guys talk about looking up stuff a lot... What do you use? I tried to use a regular search engine and all I got was bogus sites and 'penile remedies'...

[KingD]

Checkout my TIPS,TRICKS, AND SUPPLEMENTS thread because not only does it have HOT TIPS for you but it also has a list of supplements you can use as well as my experience with them(such as taking 1200 mg gel caps of Letichin to increase your ejaculation volume and the amount of whitness you ejaculation). Give it a look and let me know what you think. FROM 1 VA REP 2 ANOTHER!!!! I love to help other PEers!!!!;) :p

[mchlwise]

What you described sounds pretty much like my experience. The clear stuff is usually known as "pre-cum", and from what I remember, it's purpose is to "clean out" the tubes. Your urethra is used for urine and semen both (of course). Urine is bad for sperm, so the "pre-cum" cleans any residual urine out in preparation for the heavy stuff. It also serves a bit of a lubricating role.

That said, pre-cum CAN contain sperm, so it's not safe if you're trying to avoid pregnancy.

I'd like to figure out how to shoot further myself. Actually, I'm not sure that it's a "shooting" problem as much as "too healthy" sperm. My pre-cum shoots up to about my shoulder (if I'm on my back) but the white stuff is usually pretty thick, and kinda dribbles out and doesn't "shoot" at all.

I've heard Ebon say that thick = healthy, so maybe my sperm is just too healthy for shooting. I'll try lecithin and see if increased volume thins it out and lets it shoot more.

[KingD]

Sounds like a good plan to me MCHLWISE. Just don't go taking L-lysine because if you already have thick cum than that stuff will make your cum so thick that it will seem to come out of your penis in slow motion(unless you want to have that thick cum that stays were it is sprayed):p Let me know if the Letichin helps with your problem. I can tell you this firsthand though, the Letichin will make your ejaculation as white as vanilla pudding:D

[IHitThatBox]

I saw on PuritansPride.com that they have a 3 for 1 sale going on 1200Mg Lecithin, and VitaminShoppe.com has some 1350mg Lecithin on sale too...

I used to watch porn a lot, and I had this one where this asian guy was going at it with this girl, and finally he goes "I'm there!" and the camera zooms out and you see his load shoot across the black walls and land on the wall on the opposite side of the room... Needless to say, the expression on my face was :eek: because the room was a decent size... I mean, if the girl was in front of him, she'd probably have been going to the plastic surgeon afterwards... His load probably gets all the way up in a girl and raids her ovaries...

So now there's still 2 questions left...

"Shooting farther"

and

"Search Engine for Researching PE, not PORN"

[hottimmer]

Any one know of ways/techniques to increase ejaculatory volumne and velosity. I would like to be able to shoot across the room.

[Edward]

:) Hi hottimmer - Welcome to the Mens-Network Forum.

You've come to the right place to ask your questions, express your opinions, and offer your fellow members some good advice from your personal experiences.

Yes my friend, there are a few ways to increase volume and velocity.

Exercising the PC muscle will help give you the extra kick that you are seeking. For more info on this, I suggest that you go to the search box at the beginning of this forum, scroll to the bottom and enter the key words: "Male Multiple Orgasms". There, you will find a list of threads relating to the topic of the PC muscle.
Check out this website: VolumePills.com (http://www.volumepills.com)
Sustaining yourself from masturbation and/or sexual intercourse for about 1-week...allowing fluids to build within the scrotum.

Any or all combinations of these, will give you what you seek.

Good luck and keep us posted on your results.

Does anyone else have some good advice for our friend?
;)

[bigger70]

hi, ive been pe'ing for about 3 weeks and have seen some gains i know its not a long time yet but im happy so far.. the real question here is to fully understand the messages ive been reading about multiple orgasms and pc control... i do 3 sets of 20 a day, and i also switch it up time to time so its not always the same thing, like insead of doing them fast ill do them very slow and hold it..i would like to know the EXACT exercises to acheave a steady erection while having dry(no semen)orgasms..this in my eyes is way more important than a huge cock...im a good size now but the main problem is just comming to fast, when i say fast i mean 3-5 min...while having sex i try to slow down and flex the holy muscle(pc) at the point of no return and it works but i find after comming so close to an orgasm and holding it back i lose my erection for a short period of time.....basically im not really ever having sex in sticking my penis in a girl and trying not to come..lol...which is no fun at all!! if someone would give me some info i would GREATLY appreciate it.......thank you....p.s. just to clear things up i tryin to get information on how to orgasm,orgasm, and then ejaculate seperate from eachother all in the same session..i can have an orgasm and hold back the semen but i still lose some of my erection and pretty much all the sensation for about 5-10 min.....thank you once again

[Edward]

:) Hi bigger70 - Your answer can be found by using the search box at the beginning of this forum and typing in the keywords: 'Premature ejaculation'. This will take you to at least 9 threads to chose from that relate to this topic.
:cool:

[Maestro52]

Ok, I've heard a lot about increasing the amount of "sperm" etc, etc, etc......We'll I've had the
"Big V" and hopefully won't be having any more sperm getting into the stream. So My question: Are there exercises to increase the amount of ejaculate produced?

[mowinman]

Unfortunately no, the only thing you can do is withhold ejaculation for a few days. A vasectomy only removes the sperm, not the seminole fluid. Sperm accounts for 1-2% of the volume and there is another 2% loss from cutting and cauterizing the vas defferens. Maybe a total of 5% loss overall. There is another site I used one member there proclaimed Clomid, a female sythetic estrogen is used by several porn stars to increase ejaculate. Some studies done confirm this. Several online sites offer prescription services and you can purchase it through them if you desire. BTW, I had the vasectomy in 1982, I had the reversal surgury in 1996 after I remarried, and paid for the reversal, Expensive and not covered by insurance. Clomid was prescribed to me to help with sperm production. I did see increased volume but the vasectomy reversal failed.

[GymRat]

hello, when im having sex, the second i start visualizing myself cumming, i need to come. i try to stop visualizing it but i just cant help it. i usually cant last longer than 5 minutes because of this. i have been doing PC flexes for about 3 weeks and have helped a little so far. any help on how to stop these visualizations? thanks.

[Edward]

:) Greetings GymRat - Welcome to the Mens-Network Forum.

You've come to the right place, my friend, to ask your questions, express your opinions, and offer your fellow members some good advice from your personal experiences.

Premature ejaculation is 80% physical and 20% mental...and since your topic has been discussed by many, in this forum, your answer can best be found by clicking on the Forum Search link at the top of this web page above the banner and typing in the keywords: Premature ejaculation.

This will take you to at least 15 threads to chose from, that relate to this topic, in all of the Mens-Network forums.

Good luck, my friend, and keep us posted on your results.
;)

[GymRat]

Thank you edward for the advice :)

[Hawkinoh]

I haven't seen anything about this so far. But I was wondering if there is a recommended amount of times per week that you would suggest for blowing the load? And does this affect gains. I read one that said he refrained from sex for a month. Help me. I don't think I could do that!!

[mowinman]

Refrain from ejaculation 3 hours before and after. When you have a question use the forum search button with a key word like ejaculation, jelqing, red spots etc. It will generally give you up to 30 posts on a given subject

[Edward]

Hawkinoh - It's not relevant to how many times a week you ejaculate...but rather about what time you ejaculate before and after your PE workout that matters...just as mowinman has stated above. :)

[Hawkinoh]

Thanks. I did read that (about the 3 hours before and after). THIS IS GREAT. It's good to have someone to talk to about this stuff.

[BaskanCcC]

Hi guys.

Some of my workouts, i couldn't stop myself from ejaculating...

So does ejaculation prevent gains during workouts? :confused:
Does it ruin P.E.?


Thanks.

[Edward]

:) Greetings BaskanCcC - Welcome to the Mens-Network Forum.

You've come to the right place, my friend, to ask your questions, express your opinions, and offer your fellow members some good advice from your personal experiences.

Your question has been asked by many and your answer can be found by using the Forum Search feature.

Just click on the following link Step 1 - Use the Forum Search (http://mens-network.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2940) to get you started.

By entering the keyword Ejaculation will take you to at least 115 threads as it relates to this topic.

By modifying your keyword to Ejaculating will take you to at least 47 threads.

And so on...

Generally speaking...the answer to your question is 'Yes'.

By learning to utilize the Forum Search feature, you will be able to obtain your answers quickly and productively.

Good luck, my friend, and keep us posted on your progress.
;)

[vandymac]

Wassup fellas,

I had a quick ejaculation question for you. When I masturbate, right at the point when my penis is about to ejaculate, my pc muscle contracts pretty hard (like i'm cutting off my urin stream in mid-flow), stifling my semen from shooting out, and then it contracts rhythmically and my semen oozes out. Not only is this far less pleasurable than the shooting out sensation, it is painful as well. It feels like I have blue balls everytime I masturbate, there's always a lot of semen that doesn't get out. This is also a little embarassing whenever I'm with my girlfriend and she's giving me a hand/blow job and my semen oozes out instead of shoots out (oh how I wish to spluge all over her face!!).

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knew what my problem was. I know I can actually shoot out sperm b/c I've woken up during a wet dream while my penis has been doing just that. Do I have a weak pc muscle? Is there anything I can do ro rectify this problem? Thanks for your help.

[tabasco]

Hey vandymac,

Interesting situation, to be sure. If you think it might be a PC problem, work on the flexes exercises on penis-health. They have helped me with better and more powerful flexes, hence shots go further than before.

However, if the pain continues, there is a chance of some inflammation. Then you need to check with a urologist and have it fixed. Simple inflammation may even be helped with ibuprophen, but more serious cases will require more serious medication.

You know your body better than the rest of us. I'd try the flex exercises unless the pain continues.

keep us posted,

tabasco

[thebobo9]

I notice the same thing with my ejaculation. The only difference is that I don't experience any pain during ejaculation. I'd say skip the ibuprophen and head to a urologist. Just because ibuprophen seems like a temporary fix on what could be a serious problem. I don't know about you but I sure as hell wouldn't want to "jimmy rig" anything on my dick.

Just my thoughts.

Bobo

[alphaworldz]

I was just wondering, how many of you guys actually been able to control your ejaculation to the point where you can have sex (intercourse) for as long as you want? Or can release when you feel like it?

[tabasco]

Hey guy,
Yah, I can control it more than I used to, but I can't shoot just when I want--talk about control;) I do last a lot longer than before.

tabasco

[alphaworldz]

hehe that sound good cuz i really wanted to last longer in bed, size is important so is stamina ;)

[hehaw]

I have found that not only having a strong PC muscle will help you to gain control of it, but also other things such as breathing and state of mind. Of course if you get yourself too worked up youre gonna blow in 20 seconds. You almost have to be like a woman in this case, slowly get yourself hot and control your mind to not get too excited and too horny. Enjoy sex like it is a fun game, you have to say to yourself... Feeling her insides for 20 minutes is more pleasurable to ME than blowing in 20 seconds.. This is kind of a hard thing to explain but it works for me. Also the breathing should be slow and steady, dont do any heavy breathing like you just ran a marathon... Just try to get your mind off of the end of the sex (when you blow) and keep your mind in the present and take it slow and think about how good her insides feel. It works for me just to slowly get myself aroused and not go jamming the cock in her whenever i get a woody...

And when it's time to blow turn just the opposite. Lots of heavy breathing and thinking to yourself, "Imma split this bitch in half..." And break that pussy in :D ... Youll have much longer sex and your orgasms will be much much more intense... Like turtle says, "Slow and steady wins the race..." .. or I think that's turtle, lol.

[Dragoon]

lol how about the ability to pump like those guys in porn movie hahaha, yea i guess when it come to lovely sex we all gotta be patient and enjoy ;) and all that breathing....does that mean it's time to go learn some Tantric sex techniques and breathing tech? ;)

[tabasco]

can't hurt lol
enjoy the extra benefits of PE:D
tabasco

[vandymac]

hey fellas,

I'm experiencing some ejaculation woes and I was hoping you guys could offer some advice. My "problem" so to speak, is that whenever I'm about to climax (either through masterbating or being with a woman) my pc muscle contracts heavily, the same sensation as when you cut off your urin flow in mid stream, and it prevents my sperm from shooting out like it's supposed to. Instead, my pc muscle contracts heavily for a second or two, and then my sperm kinda just oozes out while my pc muscle squeezes rhythmically for a few seconds.. Needless to say, this is not nearly as pleasurable as the "shooting out" sensation, and it's pretty embarassing too (oh how I long to spluge all over a girl's face!!). I also seem to be left with blue balls every time this happens, which is every time.

I know I can shoot out sperm because I've woken up during wet dreams while I've been doing just that, and it feels a lot better than the aforementioned process I just described. For some reason though, I can't seem to duplicate the shooting out routine while I'm concious, which of course is a problem.

Anyway, if any of you guys have had experience with this or know people who've had this problem and have any ideas to try and remedy this situation, I would be greatly appreciative. The only thing I can think of would be to do the pc flexes several days a week. I'm only 20 years old so my pc muscle should be fairly strong, but you never know I guess. Again, any thoughts you guys have would be great. Thanks for your time.

vandymac

[987has]

I've been on the program for about a month n a half now and have noticed some gains although nothing really extensive, but my cock is much healthier and bigger looking than before. One thing i'm not so satisfied with is my endurance. I have not had full intercourse yet but when i masturbate, although i last a little longer than before, i still can't go on for like an hour, max is say 15mins. What i was wondering is, for any of u who have had sex, is it different wen u have sex than when you masturbate in terms of enndurance? Do you stay erect even if you've ejaculated when you're having sex? i have been doing the PC exercises, more specifically the PC Weighted and i have been improving gradually. Now i will most definitely have sex some time at the end of the year coz i'm goin on a wild holiday, so i wanna make sure i can last 4 as long as possible. any ideas anyone?

hensley

[ChronDick]

For myself it all depends really. If i want to make myself come really fast when I masturbate that is not hard at all. I have more control when I am masturbating, because if I feel like I am close I can just let go, I don't have the second party moaning and panting telling me how good it feels :) . With working your PC muscle you will be able to last longer, not only that your recovery time will decline, so you will be able to shoot, and continue shortly after.

Hope it helps!

[ChronDick]

Oops, somehow I double posted... :(

well... I gues HERES TO MORE GIRTH!

[987has]

yeah but there has to be a mental state to it as well, like if u're fucking her right, u can be fucking her on the outside but on the inside u're on a totally different level which allows u 2 control urself (which i think is kinda like Tantra). there has 2 be a psychological side to it.

[Joeee]

Hmmm... My tips on orgasm control during sex with a woman would be...

Moaning / talking - whenever I'm getting closer to my orgasm and I start doing either one of those, I mean the naughty talking and interacting with my girl, it kinda shifts my focus... And when I'm focus on other things, my orgasm feelings will be suppressed.

The other thing is kind of in the same spirit, but more general - I'll spend *LOTS* of attention on the girl and not on myself... Try to "play" around with her, kiss her, explore her body with my hands while I slowly but steadily keep pumping her as well... Wow this is really enjoying as well!! To see that look on her face as she gets stimulated in various ways...

Hmmm my 10 cents for now!

[GIRAFFE]

I have a prob with my endurance.

If i am getting head, it feels even better than sex, but i can last for like 2 hours... I seriously have to concentrate and "push for it" so hard to get my self to cum.

When she is ontop riding me i can last for like 2 hours plus.
But on the flip side if she is ontop riding but she isnt doing the work... Im pumping rather than her going up and down; I cant last much more than 15 minutes.

If im on top or from behind pumping, its hard to last past 10 minutes, even if I stop when i get close.

If she is giving me a hand job i can last about an hour.

If i masterbate i cant last much more than 5 minutes.

This is horrible!!! i have learned to seperate my orgasm from ejaculations however if i orgasm and not cum, which is very hard to do, but if i do, i will feel as if im ready for another hour of pumping even while having sex with me doing the work(which is good, thats what i want) so the feeling of endurance is there if i can orgasm without cumming, but the thing that goes wrong is, he (JR.) looses his hardness. I can still be inside pumping and it will feel good to me and i could at that point go on for much longer, but he is softer by alot and decreased in length and girth by alot 65% erect maybe? and i know at that point it no longer feels good to her. If i were to pull it out, he would probably not be erect enough to forced back in (unless she was really really wet).

If i make myself uncofrtable while having sex with her, i.e. (curving my neck down to suck on her tits while pumping her) and kinda concentrate on her, than i can last decently longer before my orgasm but not by too much. and as soon as i hit orgasm without cumming he loses alot of strength.
and if i slip and i accidentally lose it and i do cum at the same time, then im done for good...

the last thing i want to add is i beat it like 3 times in one day and later the night i have sex i can go for a good 45 minutes to an hour, But if i havent had sex or masterbated in 2-3 days... no longer than 15 minutes would i last.

Now the problem with this is i dont like to masterbate anymore and if i do the 3 times a day deal just so i could last longer, i will barely cum anything when i get off with her and it will look bad on my part. but if its been a while, i will unleash a huge load on her.

any thoughts or advice?

I am currently PE'ing and doing my pumps.
I think one of the problems was when i was younger and i use to masterbate i use to like the feeling of cumming so much that i would push for it as hard and quick as i could because i coudlnt wait to feel it, i kinda trained my body to get off quick, how can i reverse that?
last night i masterbated just to experiment if i could cum and cut it off with my pc muscle (in the case that i slip up and i end up cumming instead of just getting an orgasm) i can cut it off for about 10 seconds or so, but the pulsations and contractions start to override my brains control of the pc muscle and i lose control... so the whole PC thing isnt working for me...

[agglomeration]

have more sex

[calc2000]

A friend of mine once told me that you shouldn't ejaculate at least 2 hours before and 2 hours after the workout. Sometimes it is difficult for me not to get an erection during the Long Shlong exercise without having ejaculated right before. Is this a mistake ? Is it really true that you shouldn't ejaculate right before, during or right after the workout ? Please let me know, I am really confused about this right the minute.......thanks

[turtle]

Calc2000
The theory, which is completely unproven, is that your should not have an ejaculation +/- 3 hours around PE. Many people completely ignore this concept and it doesn't seem to effect their results. To be on the safe side I try to follow the concept, but I don't always succeed. Logically I would think that the concept applies more to your girth work than your stretch routine. If you do a split routine and ejaculate before the stretch portion, and then do the girth work later in the day, I would say that you are being reasonably consistent with the concept.
turtle

[obi-wan]

1. As agglomeration said, have more sex.
2. Try to masterbate for as long as you can but when you feel yourself cumming STOP. wait for the feeling to stop then start again.
I did the same thing as you when i was young, i liked the feeling of cumming so traind myself to cum quick but changed it the way i just said.
good luck

[turtle]

Originally posted by GIRAFFE
last night i masterbated just to experiment if i could cum and cut it off with my pc muscle (in the case that i slip up and i end up cumming instead of just getting an orgasm) i can cut it off for about 10 seconds or so, but the pulsations and contractions start to override my brains control of the pc muscle and i lose control... so the whole PC thing isnt working for me...

Exercising the PC is one part of the formula, exercising the brain is another part. It takes time, it takes practice, it takes concentration and dedication. Don't assume that the whole PC thing isn't working for you based on early difficulties. Keep working at it and you will get better at it. Give up and nothing good will happen. If it takes awhile to develop control, then it takes awhile, so be it! The important thing is to get those PC flexes accomplished every day. After awhile you'll wonder what the problem was.
turtle

[Big T]

All of the above have value, but here is another method. As you probably know, man's most important sex organ is the Brain! If you have serious anxiety for any reason, real or imagined, you can't even get a hard-on; let alone good sex. So next time you're having sex, try to take advantage of this and concentrate on things like shopping, a report that has to be done, work, beating a traffic ticket; kicking someone's ass; most anything but sex. But be careful not to get so hung up on a thought that you can't let it go or you'll not only not be able to blow your rocks; you'll lose your hard-on too. Ooooo. You might be able to alternate those thoughts with sex thoughts if you have enough mind power.
Good Times.
Big T

[obi-wan]

What BIG T said is true just dont think about the same thing everytime.
I did that for a while ( i thought about football) but every now and then when i watch football i think of sex which is never good in the changing room.
If you do the same thing over and over again you get used to doing it and it becomes a natural thing for you to link the two together as i did.
To my brain football = sex. so try to mix the thought up a bit.
Try thinking about your most hated tv program, the nine time table (it can also help if your no good at math.lol.) what you want for dinner tomorrow, and things that involve some brain power to take your mind of it. But dont think about it for to long or you will lose your erection.
Hope this helps you as it did me.

[obi-wan]

Sorry about double posting but there is an other i use sometimes.
If you want to just think of something else about her apart from the feelings you have during sex, like how her hair smells, what her eye colour is, the feeling of here hands on your back, anything to keep your mind on her but not about what you feel in your penis. This keeps your attention on here but not sex in particular.

[turtle]

I think that obi-wan has a good suggestion here. Somehow thinking about sporting events or things you don't like when your in the middle of intercourse just seems counterproductive. Concentrating your brain on giving pleasure to your partner with something other than your dick. Concentrate on other parts of her body and her smells while your inside her and you will pay a little less attention to yourself. I most admit I have never had this problem, at least I have never had a complaint being to quick, but I like obi-wan's suggestions. I think that they make sense, and I think that they will help you.
turtle

[obi-wan]

Thanks for the compliment turtle.
I used this way last night and i went for a little under two hours with my penis inside her, and when i came we nearly fell of the bed. We haven't had sex for about a week.
I'll tell you the routine i did.
We started with me on top, nearly blow it after about ten minute, o i started to stroke her body all over. and watched to see her squirm which makes my giggle so there goes the feeling of wanting to cum.
We then got a bit carried away so we changed to her on top (this always make me cum quicker) so when i got close to cumming again i started to talk to here about which position She wants to do. She always wants me on top pushing while she does the work. I ALWAYS make her orgasm this way as it pushes against all the right spots of her, BUT to me this isn;t that good as i need to push and just stay,so it hurts my stomach after a bit so once again the feeling of cumming goes away.

[YTREW985]

Ok Im very new but I've toyed around with PE for a while, my problem is that my penis gets erect VERY easily (probly becuase its small) and this is annoying when doing the exercises becuase as soon as i touch it BOOM im hard. so my question is if i beat off first is that bad like will it effect gains ? i ask because i think i would have less erections after ejaculating....Thanks

[ebon00]

That will get easier with time. If you have problems stretching because of erection levels you should try doing your girth work, jelqs and so on, before stretching. When the tissues are partially fatigued you'll probably have a "harder" time getting erect and should get a few more stretches in before things get "out of hand".

[turtle]

YTREW985
I would try Ebon's suggestion first, doing the girth work before the stretch work might be all that you need. If it doesn't work then try a split routine. For example, do your girth work in the morning. In the evening, masturbate and then do your stretch work an hour or two later. I know the rule about ejaculation and PE, but it is not a proven fact, and if it is a factor, it is probably more related to girth work than stretch work. If you can wait two hours then it is kind of a moot point. Also, as Ebon said, this becomes less of a problem over time. Your brain begins to disconnect PE from the act of sex.
turtle

[YTREW985]

Alright thanks alot for your help

[petelta]

i hvae accidentally gotten off a lot during the past month while doing my exercises(ive been doing some slammers) and its seems like it hasn't effected my growth. i might of had more growth if not ejaculating but i don't think it is bad for you.

[sabian12]

Practicing "holding in" (PC flex) actually makes you ejaculate sooner. Reverse kegeling is what you do to last longer (like you are trying to win a pissing competition). Eventually you'll learn that you are relaxing the muscle and it will all become obvious to you

Keep kegelling during the day to improve ur strength then when your having sex and u get the indication your reaching a dangerous state, slow down and do a series of long hard reverse kegels, then a few short kegels followed by a long hard flex. This wil get you back to normal. Also do buttock and abs tensing, this will take abit of energy away from your pc and keep you concentrating on other things.

When your ready to ejac, do a long real hard pc flex and just before you go, relax. And youll get an amazing orgasm. Seeya

[sabian12]

Yea I can pretty much control when I ejac and it was never like this before believe me. First thing is the mental side as the others have mentioned and its so important. This can be demonstrated by thinking back to your first time, how long did you last? :P When I was inexperienced I found it helped to think about everyday things, so its nothing exciting. Like imagining what you're gonna do tommorow, like walking around town etc. Now I focus on motivational things like a roaring lion and telling myself that im the greatest an that ill last forever.

What I did on the physical side was loads of Kegels (PC flexes), as Im a university student, thats basically all i did all day bcos your always sitting down :P. Then I started a program where during masturbation I would reverse kegel (relaxing the muscle), this slows your ejac amazingly. Then throughout sex I simply to reverses, and then a few quick PC flexes to get my penis back tp normal. Hope it helps.

[obi-wan]

cheers sabian12, i'm gonna have to give that a go the next time me and the girlfriend get together.

[GIRAFFE]

why do kegels then and how do you do a reverse kegel? what is it?

[ebon00]

Originally posted by GIRAFFE
why do kegels then and how do you do a reverse kegel? what is it?

Kegels are important for overall conditioning. When you get a stronger PC muscle you'll get better erections. The reverse kegel is just that, a reverse kegel. If you read sabian12's post closely he actually had a short explanation. It's what you do when you're trying to really piss hard. Try it the next time you're in the bathroom. Any time you try to force it out, that's a reverse kegel (it has some similarities to an ab flex but that's because of the proximity of the muscles and ther nerve connections).

The reason you can get off faster when masturbating is simple, you know your body and knows exactly what you need to do to cum. The same goes for the positions where you get off faster, you control the tempo/stroke depth ect. and that means you tend to focus on your own pleasure which makes you come sooner. Now, when you girl gives you a handjob she can't possibly stroke it the way you do. For one, she hasn't got the amount of "training" you do. And neither can she do things "just right" for you when she's on top because she just doesn't know. (Women like to grind because that puts pressure on the clitoris but for most men that means that there's not enough movement to get really aroused. So that's why we start thrusting.)

So here's a plan, mix it up between the positions where you get off fast and the ones where you don't. I mean, come on! Who has patience to do the same position for 15 min. Variety man!

[obi-wan]

Hit the nail on the head there ebon00, no one knows what you like but you. If everybody knew what everybody else liked we'ed all be having amazing sex (i wish). Women are the same saying stuff like "I like it when you do this, Do it like that" because they know their bodys better than anybody so know what they like best and how to get there quicker. As your teachers probably said "practice makes perfect"

[HowsItHangin]

Wait so if I read this thread right, it says doing PC flexes and strengthining the muscle make it easier to reach orgasm????

OR

When you do PC flexes you strengthen and get used to the feel of you PC muscle and don't flex it and remain relaxed which is what lets you last longer???

AND

A strong PC muscle lets you hold back ejaculation

SO

What does the reverse kegal do for you it seems like it would give you a stronger cum shot becasue its like forcing it out. Anyway I know I've thrown a lot of statements/questions out so if one of you lads could figure out what I'm asking and give me some input that would be appreciated.

[henrytheking]

I ve read recently about different techniques to enhance
sexual endurance and ejaculation controls....
things like holding ur breath or reverse kegels (do they work?)
but if there s anything u can wit along with your PC flexing how do u alternate?
what s ur technique those of you who ve learnt to last longer,
can u possibly sustain ur erection for hours?

[monster]

Normally how long do girls take to ejaculate during sex / masterbation ?

:(

[ebon00]

That differs a lot. Some women never experience an orgasm during penetration, som ecome at the drop of a hat. The general rule is that by the time you're about ready to shoot your load, she's just warming up. ;)

[monster]

oh helll .. then should i tell my girlfren to use spanish fly ....... aaaaaaah

[wheels1]

Why is ejaculation not recommended after PE?

[ebon00]

Do a search or just browse the forum, this has been dealt with at least 20 times by now.

[joeag]

I started my stretching excersises last nite. Did anyone have problems getting an erection after the stretches? Is it smart to masturbate after the stretches?

Thanks
:p

[turtle]

Please use the search feature, this has been written about so many times that it is silly.
turtle

[RoosterBooster]

I think it's common for your rooster to feel and look a little shrivelled after a good stretch routine however to my experience I never had a problem doing girth (erection) after stretching which includes trying to really fatigue my tunica. As for masterbating after all I have read on forums I'd say if you feel the need do indeed, it should not effect your gains. I know the rule is 3 hrs before or after and on one forum it is 7 hrs but alot of guys like the reward after a good session.

[davidg]

:confused: I have been using pro solutions for 1 month and have seen very little gain.
Some of the exercises are very intense and sometimes I cant hold the orgasm but i hold my pc muscle so I so not cum. Could this be why I have not seen big results?



This thread has been placed in the appropriate forum it belongs in. ;)

[Edward]

:) Greetings davidg - Welcome to the Mens-Network Forum.

You've come to the right place, my friend, to ask your questions, express your opinions, and offer your fellow members some good advice from your personal experiences.

First, I would like to congratulate you on your gains...small or big...they are still gains. And gains will vary from individual to individual...as we all develop at different rates. I for one, am a hard gainer, but am still able to make gains...just at a slower rate.

Second, I would like to congratulate you on your ability to control you ejaculations as this is the secret behind the male multipule orgasm...however, keep in mind, that this has nothing to do with small gains but rather, it will increase your ability to achieve greater gains.

If you wish, you may post your workout routine, and one of your fellow members will be able to assist you in anyway necessary...as we are all in this together to prove that PE does work!

Good luck, my friend, and keep us posted on your progress. ;)

[easy-street]

I just started the PE excersises and i have a question. If I ejaculate during or after an excersice like the Jelq for example will I not get any results. Will ejaculating have any effect on the excersice? What do u guys think?

[bigbencherjj]

I would never ejaculate even 4 hours before or after PEing. I Prefer to not ejaculate on a workout day at all. also if you do it during PE a lot of your hormone levels will drop and it will be harder to keep an 80% erection for jelq and i think that would effect results.

[Mr Sambuca]

Well ejaculating during a jelq session or any other exercise is definitely a no-no, especially if the exercise requires you to have an erection, because quite simply you'll lose your erection and won't be able to carry on. Many people practise a no masturbation for 3 hours before or 3 hours after rule, but it's really up to you. It hasn't been proven whether or not ejaculating within these time constraints will negatively affect your results. I would say if you are not sure, wait at least a couple of hours before you wank or have sex.

[hedgy55]

Quite often my partner is not only present while I exercise, she also assists and as this gets her quite horny it's often the case that we have sex very soon after an exercise session and while I have not found any problems with this, she actually feels that I am bigger and harder!! Certainly I feel harder and while I would not go so far as saying that I feel bigger, she always reacts as if I am, so I guess it's not just her imagination.

[whispdark]

Hey there, been browsing your forums about increasing ejaculation and reducing cool down time in between. I've read that the main factor is Zinc and that the best natural source of Zinc is oysters. Buying canned oysters from the store or buy em fresh and make em? Someone also mentioned they got a protstate vitamin. I know most of the ejaculation is from the prostate and just a tiny bit is from the testicles... Oysters the way to go? Vitamins better? Prostate vitamins? Eh? What? Please advise! Thanks! :cool:

[whispdark]

When doing the testicle treats and testicle massages should I take a day off? Something like 3 on, 2 off? Or is it completly safe to do them everyday? :confused:

[whispdark]

Well, since I am not getting any responses I'm just going to do them everyday and see how it goes in a couple weeks. Feel free to leave your input :p

[Momo]

Just my personal approach, but I have always been very conservative with the testiclar exercises (this site calls them 'testicle treats'). Over YEARS of gradual progress in this area, I have achieved the results I wanted. What's your hurry? Why take a risk - especially in this area.

I've always imagined that if you go too far, too fast with the testicles, a number of undesirable things can happen/result. Best to take it slow, and gentle with them. Don't even risk over-doing it. In any way. Why risk infertility? It'd be kinda silly to have the most magnificent manhood the world has ever seen, but you shoot blanks because you didn't take into consideration how sensitive testicles & fertility are.

That's my take on it. Unless you've been diagnosed as terminal with <6 months to live - why not just take it easy on 'em? You've got time... ;)

[Momo]

I remember when I started doing PE - it was difficult to contain my orgasm. That's because your body & mind are conditioned/trained, so that when there is 'activity' of some kind, in that area, it always leads to orgasm (usually fairly soon).

The novice PE-er's biggest problems (being fully erect and having a hard time containing orgasm), are caused by that conditioning. You simply have to retrain your body and mind - which takes concentration, and time. I usually have an orgasm maybe, once every couple of weeks - at the most, when I'm heavy into my PE training. I've sometimes gone 3 or even 4 weeks. When it gets to the point where it's like I'm on 'roid rage, and start thinking about things I shouldn't be thinking about... I know it's time to go cum. ;)

...but you need to use that stuff. There is no substitute, in terms of achieving gains. When I was a 'journeyman' PE-er, every now and then I would get so close to orgasm during my workouts, but I thought I could contain it... however I couldn't. That was a 'disaster'. Instead of taking 1 step forward with that workout, I ended up taking 2 steps back. Very disappointing. But, eventually I got to the point where I could mentally control when I orgasmed - 100%. And at that point, the gains really accelerated.

The key to this whole thing is testosterone. And if you keep a big batch of it - right there on hand, yeah... that's good. And eventually, when you mature in the exercises, you will stop the whole premature ejaculation thing, en route to becoming a sexually-powerful REAL man.

Takes time, and effort. But you'll get what you want - if you want it bad enough.

[wohoo19m]

I used to listen to the 3 hours before and after rule. Now I don't since I restarted, and I've seen faster gains. I'd reserve pleasuring yourself for your off days. If it's sex with a partner though, don't even hesitate, since you don't want pe to affect your relashionship. And don't wait 3-4 weeks to cum, cumming regularly helps keep the prostate healthy.

[whispdark]

Ahh yes, I have been considering this exact same thing but just have not posted for awhile. Thank you for your feedback and input. :D

[Momo]

I relieve my prostate periodically, frequently actually - but not too much at any one time. You have to really MASTER the thing they call 'edging', and you can keep your balls full, and your prostate healthy at the same time.

Eventually semenal fluid (from the prostate) is going to secrete. But when, and how much - is the key to the strategy.

I've long realized the key to this whole PE 'thing' -is having (well, not blue balls, but...) a thick, large supply of cum built up, that just wants out... but you have to control that impulse. Think about Lions, for example. Rogue, male lions, roaming around, looking for a pride to take over. Lions cannot masterbate, the bachelor lions roam around, and their balls get flippin huge, their muscles get strong and thick, they get aggressive, and fight to take over a pride.

-that is the kind of body chemistry you need to have going, as much (as often) as possible, to make serious PE gains. It ain't easy - and sometimes it can really be challenging to 'stay cool', and 'behave'... but I'm tellin' ya, having all that cum built up, effects your body just like it does those lions.

And really, the best situation you can be in - is one where you have no female to satisfy you... just like those lions on the prowl. You can't fool your body, and instincts. If sex is readily available to you, and you have lots of female influence in your life, your testosterone is never going to be THAT high, and thus you will not achieve your true potential.

PE is primarily a mind game... a battle Vs. your hormones, and bodily cravings. If you can learn to manipulate that, and take advantage of it...

Most can't though. It does take a hardened mind. Yet also a calculating mind, that can manage all this, and stick to the objective.

[Bigdocjay]

Was hoping for some advice here. I don't ejaculate as well as I did when I was a young stud. Now days, it just milks out instead of the fire hose I had when I was younger. I heard of "special diets" would help the velocity? I would like to have something like Peter North. That would impress the girlfriend. Thanks for your feedback.

[ChronDick]

There are a few things you could do to make your loads a little more explosive.

First off start working your PC muscle by doing some kegals, if your not sure what a kegal is do a forum search on it and there a plenty of threads relating to kegals.

Second if you really want Peter North loads you will have to take a volume pill as he does, that usually creates 500% more sperm.

Try massaging your balls regularly, stimulation may create more sperm.

Hope it helps.

[vanman]

What works for me is bringing myself close to cumming a few times during sex before finally letting go. Use lots of good forplay and make it last to get youself really reved up. I find the more reved up I am during sex the bigger my load and the further I shoot. I am not the gusher Peter North is but I do just fine.

[Vine]

Bigdocjay,

Some good advice here. I just wanted to add what works for me...

After you've done what vanman suggested and held back a few times, get close to cumming again. Only this time, when you're good and ready to "let loose," let the sensation of cumming go a bit further than when holding back. In other words, still hold back a little bit at first, but then gradually give in.

As you give in and feel that cum is about to shoot out, just try to then hold it back again...flex/contract your PC muscle in order to do this. Try to hold it as much as you can...you won't be able to for long (once your PC muscle gets stronger this will be easier). Just let loose at that point.

If you've done it right, the love juice will not merely 'trickle' out---it will shoot out. In multiple bursts. I've shot cum clear over my head using this technique...seriously. It helps to have not ejaculated for a day or two beforehand, of course...the longer you wait, the better.

This takes a lot of patience and concentration, but once you master this, you'll notice a big difference. Stick with the PE too...especially the PC flexes. They will help immensely!

Good luck.
Big Vine

[Kingston]

Sounds good Big Vine, I take it I can practice this with masturbation as a "test", shall we say?

[Vine]

Sure bet, Kingston. Try it out, and you'll see for yourself.

It does take a lot of practice and concentration. Oh...and it's not like I cum like this every single time. I've practiced it a lot with masturbation...which makes it easier to 'master,' but achieving this during intercourse is a bit trickier.

A lot depends on the type of stimulation being received by your unit. Getting a handjob? Good...it works well for that. If you're cumming inside a girl though, it's much trickier. Still very much doable though, I would imagine.

I think it's much better to practice this during masturbation only...at least to begin with. If you start tinkering with this method too early on and during intercourse, you may very well get all psyched out by performance anxiety or whatever and end up being disappointed. Master it by yourself first, then share it with others.

Good luck. Let me know if this works for you.
Big Vine

[DJ66]

Hello i have a kind of problem. I have begun work with infra red light and i think it seems like a good thing to do the only problem is its awkward for me to do stretches because often i get quite erect th only way i can stretch is to finish myself off and then stretch. I am just worried that i will lose alot of gains by doing this.

The problem is i like to stretch when i wake up and before i go to bed and then i do the rest of my exercises in the middle in a big chunk but i can't easily use the 3 hour rule with this.

I have asked this before but what is the actual basis behind the ejaculation thing i mean i heard its something to do with testosterone but what has that got to do with it? has anyone got postive proof that shows this?

The other thing i wanted to ask about is how do i convert my rountine into reps rather than mins?

[Vine]

As for the erect during stretching business---try to find something you can grip with that may be a little bit abrasive. For example, I've tried using unscented dryer sheets...they chafe more than toilet paper. If you grip and stretch hard enough (don't hurt yourself), you'll feel some slight pain...stop if there's too much. This should help deaden your erections. It will also help keep your grip from slipping, allowing for a stronger stretch.

This should help you to deal with the ejaculation within 3 hours of a workout problem.

If you still find ejaculating close to PEing to be a problem, my suggestion is this. I don't have scientific proof here, but from what I've read and from personal experience, the 3 hour rule applies primarily with regards to girthwork.

Your dick needs to stay somewhat engorged with blood even after the girthwork in order to promote growth---testosterone levels help to ensure that this will happen. If you've jacked off, your dick is saying "Well, I've gotten what I needed and business is taken care of." As a result, the blood leaves, and there remains little incentive for growth. I believe that you are most likely to achieve growth gains when your dick is just crying to ejaculate...you know, those times when you've not ejaculated in a while and it will harden at the slightest stimulation or arousal.
Of course, I'm almost positive that you will still gain if you do jack off near/during workouts...just a lot more slowly.

If you believe what I've just said, then I would save ejaculating until 3 hours+ after your girthwork. Preferrably only do this on the last workout day of your routine (i.e. right before an off day). This way it shouldn't interfere with girth gains quite as much. It's more ideal if you can just save it for off days, but that's pretty limiting for a lot of people.
I wouldn't worry so much about the effects that ejaculating has on stretch work.

Oh, and as for converting workout time into reps...
Each jelq stroke should take a good 2-3 seconds (even a little longer is ok). Figure on doing about 20 per minute at that rate. I just stick to sets of 20, and renew my erection between sets. It seems to work great.
Stretches---each direction of long schlong should last a good 20-30 seconds. Long schlong helis should each take about 30 or so seconds.
I'll let you do the math on this one.

Hope this helps.
Big Vine

[wohoo19m]

Testosterone is important for reconstruction. That's why women stay smaller when body building compared to a man who does the same thing. When you ejaculate, your level of testosterone drops dramatically. Wich is why it isn't a good idea to ejaculate when your doing pe. I know that from my own experience having gone both ways, I've experienced better and faster results from restraining myself. You just don't get as good a workout when you ejaculate in my opinion. Why don't you just try it for a while , while ejaculating, and a while without ejaculating and let the results show you.

[malcolm]

Do some pc blasters when you get erect. Tiring the pc muscle can kill erections. When you warm up kegel at the same time but hold them for about 30 sec a rep. If you can still hold an erection after that then I dunno.

[whouwith]

Is it dangerous to if you feel ejaculation coming on and you can't stop it to grip your penis at the head and prevent it from relasing and then let your erection subside which will cause only a little cum to relase. Is this helpful or dangerous in any way. Any feedback would be appreciated.

[Vine]

I think the cum would come out whether you try to hold it in for 10 seconds or for 10 minutes.

Judging from what you wrote in your description, you've already ejaculated.
The ejaculate cannot be completely forced back into where it came from---You may hold it off temporarily, but it will spurt out once you let go.

Maybe someone who has tried this can let us know for sure. Either way, I'm sure it's not a very productive thing to do, as it may cause you some discomfort, not to mention ruin your PE efforts (if you're doing it close to PEing).

If you're really curious just try it out for yourself---perhaps you already have? Any pain or discomfort, and I'd stay away from it myself.

Big Vine

[FifthAve57]

I have been doing the workouts for 3 days now. It seems like things work judging by some of the results of the long time members, and I look forward to contributing in the future. I am just wondering if I should be scheduling my workout before or after ejaculating, and how much time before or after. My girlfriend is in Australia, so both workout time and ejaculation time are both in my hands (haha). Also, wondering if these goals are reasonable, and how mong it might take...

Starting Measurements:

EL: 6.5 in
EG: 5.1 in

Goals:

EL: 8 in
EG: 6 in

Thanks a lot!

[Billy2time]

I need some advise/help. I've started the exercises and thought I started to have it under control. I tested it last week and it seemed that if I push (like when peeing, pushing hard) when I felt like I would cum, I wouldn't and thus have the control. Well, unfortunately, the last two times didn't work that way and I couldn't control it. Do I have the theory correct; I just need to have more time exercising, or?

Thanks!


B2T

[Billy2time]

Anyone, Anyone???

[turtle]

What I assume that your talking about is PC exercises. The idea is to stop in the middle of urinating so that you can get a sense of your PC muscle, pushing is another way to exercise your PC. Do a search for PC Killer. You'll find a post that gives you a good workout routine for your PC.
turtle

[Billy2time]

Nah Turtle, I believe I understand how to do the exercise, I'm talking about putting all the exercise to the test. You know, when in action and your little guy wants to Cum, but it's only been 5 minutes. :-)
When we're at that point, what do I do to stop from cumin’? Do I try and push, or suck in (like trying to stop urinating)?

Hopefully my question is making sense???

Thanks!

B2T

[Vine]

I've only ever held off blowing my load by flexing the PC muscle (like when you stop in the middle of urinating).

The only time I use the "pushing" movement is when I cum...I combine this with intermittent flexes of the PC muscle; thus resulting in shooting multiple bursts across the room.
It literally took me years of experimenting with jacking off to really master this technique. :rolleyes:

I'd just concentrate on the regular PC flex. Give the exercises time to take effect. Developing a strong PC muscle requires regular use of the muscle, so just keep at it and you'll eventually start getting a handle on preventing ejaculation. It won't happen overnight.

Big Vine

[hope2grow]

That is very true...i feel much more sensitive since i started the program, i feel like i cant hold anyhting back i am super sensitive now, i feel alot more, i gues from getting larger.. ;)

[canogy]

hi All,Im new to all this mens stuff and I think i have some problem why this sudden ejaculation happens when i was sleeping . Issit normal? This happens when i stop masterbate though and it happen once a month. Please help.

[turtle]

It's called a wet dream, and it is perfectly normal if your not enjoying any sexual relief. If you ejaculate on a regular basis, wet dreams are not a necessary event for your body. don't worry about it it's just your body's way of taking care of itself.
turtle

[chillen6985]

heh i havent had one of theos since i was like 13 since i figured out masterbation how old ru? wet dreams are nice i wish i had more never happen any more or atlease a dream about having sex.

[canogy]

Hi thanks for the advise. :sm16 Guess im very still lucky of having it while im 26. :sm24

[chillen6985]

heh somthing funny hapend i had a wet dream last night after posting that i dont have them any more kinda weird

it was with a chinease chick and she wanted me to do her in the ass it was nice

i dont think i cumed though

[Big Al]

I've been using your training for 2months now, and i see the progress for sure, but sometimes i ejaculate during enlargement sessions.
Here's my question Big Al:

Does it make a difference to the grownth process if you ejaculate in these enlargement sessions ?

- or -

Does it make a tremendous difference to the grownth process to not ejaculate at all ?


I'd really like your answer and explanation from your expertise.

I'm already a member of your site, and love the training.

Big Al: Thank you for your kind words :) Regular ejaculation will not affect your progress. Some men actually ejaculate prior to their PE sessions to prevent themselves from becoming too erect to do their exercises.

Hope this helps!

[Project_Moss]

Im not big al but this question can be answered easily and is also listed several places on this site. Do not ejaculate on workout days for sure or you will see no results. Days off can be done but wouldnt recommend it because your losing testosterone and hormones each time you do it. Try to keep it at a minimum. (less porn hehe) However ive been told even if you ejaculate during a workout you should finish it off anyways.

[Ricter]

Im not big al but this question can be answered easily and is also listed several places on this site. Do not ejaculate on workout days for sure or you will see no results. Days off can be done but wouldnt recommend it because your losing testosterone and hormones each time you do it. Try to keep it at a minimum. (less porn hehe) However ive been told even if you ejaculate during a workout you should finish it off anyways.

But there is no point in finishing the workout after an ejaculation, if an ejaculation means "you'll see no results". It could be argued that you should definitely cease the workout, since you can't gain, and perhaps you could lose (injury). At the very least you'd be wasting your time...


.

[Jareth]

Im not big al but this question can be answered easily and is also listed several places on this site. Do not ejaculate on workout days for sure or you will see no results. Days off can be done but wouldnt recommend it because your losing testosterone and hormones each time you do it. Try to keep it at a minimum. (less porn hehe) However ive been told even if you ejaculate during a workout you should finish it off anyways.
I wouldn't say u see no results, i believe it effects pe because it causes more shrinkage after the workout.. Today while edging i acidently cummed a bit, not totally but enough to see nut drip out, i contiuned my workout and still hung fine afterwards..

[wohoo19m]

Big Al answered the question, ejaculation doesn't matter. It's a myth that people invented from what they "felt". There's no actual data to back it up.

[snatch]

it feels amazing to cum at the end of a workout so i cant believe i have been holding it off for so long do to a stupid myth. unless it is true. Doesn't PH say ejaculation=less gains?
masterbate away!

[turtle]

For some people it's a myth, and for other's it does matter. If you ignore the +/- 3 hour rule and your not gaining then perhaps in your in the "other group," and you need to pay attention. If your gaining fine then your in the "some people group" and just smile.
turtle

[TheDude]

For some people it's a myth, and for other's it does matter. If you ignore the +/- 3 hour rule and your not gaining then perhaps in your in the "other group," and you need to pay attention. If your gaining fine then your in the "some people group" and just smile.
turtle


So nothing can´t go wrong when I don´t ignor the +/- 3 hour rule??... I can blow a load after 3 hour of doing the workout? :sm36

[turtle]

follow the +/- 3 hour rule and your on the safe side. Seems like a simple plan to me.
turtle

[TheDude]

follow the +/- 3 hour rule and your on the safe side. Seems like a simple plan to me.
turtle

so it is!.... big penis here I come :sm29

[Marco]

So. This is the thing that would make a man a true Master...
We talk about bringing yourself to the point of cumming and then we sqweeze the PC muscle to push back that DARN cum.... and continue..

But what about after you cum? Is there a way to cum, and not kill off the erection afterwards?? So you cum, and the dick still keeps the erection!

This would be awsome!

Is it worth talking about this subject? Is it possible??

I've thought about this.
And if there was a possible route to this, then it would be this:

1) We have to ask ourselves, does the penis have any muscle? - [Other than the PC Muscle]

- If so, then can we build these muscles?
- If so, then how?
- It woudn't be the Jelqing and stretching, it would have to be some sort of lifting - Just like other muscles on the body!
- But how?
- We know that the penis is full of veins and stuff, but the key question is.... does it hold any muscle??

2) If there is no muscle other than the PC Muscle, then how can we train the PC Muscle to lift things? And how safe would it be? - We dont wanna fuck up our dicks!

- What do the personal trainers think about this? I'd like to hear your views on this matter!
- And anyone else, add what you like!

[thehorse]

a question to u - if u got a blood donation, but recieved more blood than ur body can hold, would it just stay in ur penis? lol about the whole gym thing.. :sm22 :confused:

[rideout]

U can lift things with your PC.Just put a towel on your penis and lift it with your PC.
Shirt,rag something and FLEXXXXXXXXX it.

[sagar1_isbig]

We all knows that penis is not a muscle.( I wish if it was a muscle)it has 2 ligaments and in the shaft it has lots of cells these cells filled with blood during erection. What I have understand that by PEing we damage thoses cells and then they grow more and in bigger from and thats how penis get bigger.

[Marco]

So what's the best way to damage cells? AND I MEAN REAAAL BAD?

But wait? Is too much bad? or isn't there a too much??

[Mase64]

yea i believe its just enough for damaging the ccells in order to ergain new ones which come in bigger and more blood baby...

which i dont know the conclusion would be for causing more "pain" mmmmmmm

[uh-oh]

ok so basically damage the cells but not too where there is much pain...and remember to REST...too many people over train

[Big Al]

So what's the best way to damage cells? AND I MEAN REAAAL BAD?

But wait? Is too much bad? or isn't there a too much??

Please avoid trying to damage your penis!

Taken from this topic (http://www.mens-network.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44425&postcount=5)

The penis is a very vascular organ. Any tearing of the corpora, corpus or (especially) the fascia usually results in bruising and may cause Peyronie's. Google "broken penis" and search the images for a visual Tearing the pubic ligaments isn't a good idea either. Sprains hurt, and doubly so where the genitals are concerned.

[Big Al]

There are men that can ejaculate 3 times a day and see no ill effects, and there are men that need a long time to recover from ejaculations. This has to do with refractory periods (with are based on age, health, conditioning, and other miscellaneous factors), and they affect when a man will be able to have your next erection.

Usually, men that suffere from very long refractory periods aren't the ones complaining about the need to ejaculate during PE sessions :)

[HowsItHangin]

Where do you ejaculate if a girl doesn't want to take it in her mouth and what do you do about cleanup afterwards? I.e. how you deal/avoid getting it all over the couch, floor, and/or clothing and if you do, what do you do about it. I'm just wondering how others deal with this charming little aftermath.

[jackson_darell]

I guess I am lucky when it comes to this. My gf likes me to cum on her. If not on her face I usually go for her breasts. Other times I cum on her butt.

As far as cleanup is concerned, a box of Kleenax always helps.

[digger]

Put a towel underneath you both. No probs about where it will go.

[RangerK]

Where do you ejaculate if a girl doesn't want to take it in her mouth...

Into another girls mouth:sm25

[biggerandbetter]

My gf doesn't like it on the face, but she loves it on the breasts! Usually we use tissues to clean up, but we hop in the shower together if no one else is around. :o

[rideout]

Well Since i had a no scalpel vasectomy in july I just get to leave it in hehe.But before that it would be on her face,tummy,tits,ass,mouth just really depended on her and what we was doing at the time.Anal is always left inside, and to me now that I have had the vasectomy and have no worries about having anymore kids I have to bust inside there is nothing more pleasing to me then cumming inside her.So i leave snail tails where ever i go. :sm24

[elecjet]

if you do the jelqing for say 8 minutes but then ejaculate after does this defeat the purpose? I don;t see how it can if you have been going at it for the 8 minutes or so.

[elecjet]

if you do the jelqing for say 8 minutes but then ejaculate after does this defeat the purpose? I don;t see how it can if you have been going at it for the 8 minutes or so.

[anth1225]

Maybe some of the vets can answer this better than I, but as I understand it if you ejaculate it affects the pump you should have afterwards.
As you're jelqing all your hormones are kicking in which makes you larger.
When you ejaculate the refractory period kicks in and the hormones that enlarge are in effect neutralized or gone or whatever you want to call it.

Bottom line it's the hormones that will make you bigger.
anth

[Jareth]

I don't like ejaculating afterwards because I get the "turtle head" effect going and i think it effects my gains. Everybody is different though.

[Big Al]

I would say that no, you shouldn't suffer from any ill efects from masturbating after your jelqs.

[Project_Moss]

Actually Ive heard that if you masterbate during pe you lose nearly all of your work since your releasing all of your testosterone and hormones when you do it and your penis cannot advance for the day.

[peplun]

Hi, One Question, It Is Good Or Bad To Have A Masturbation After The Exercise?????thanks Jarteh.....

[DJ66]

I wouldnt do it straight after, most say leave it between 3-8 hours to be safe though some people say it doesn't effect you. Definately don't do it before girth work as you might find it harder to get it fully up so you would decrease the effectiveness abit. However i don't know the effect on stretching? so if someone could answer that i would like to know. As someone said its all about hormones and blood flow which all decrease abit after masturbation. Although i don't do it after i do often do it the same day, otherwise i end up being too hard for the stretching the next day.

[Vine]

Think about this...

Do you want your penis to ideally heal in an "engorged" state following girthwork?
YES!
Do you want your penis to ideally heal in an "extended" state following lengthwork?
YES!

Is your penis more likely to remain in an "engorged" state after ejaculating close to a workout?
NO!
Is your penis more likely to remain in an "extended" state after ejaculating close to a workout?
NO!

Can you still benefit from the workouts if you do ejaculate close to a workout?

YES, but you have a much greater chance of benefitting more if you do not ejaculate close to a workout.

Big Vine

[Big Al]

Actually Ive heard that if you masterbate during pe you lose nearly all of your work since your releasing all of your testosterone and hormones when you do it and your penis cannot advance for the day.

That's not what happens. Ejaculation actually increases hormone levels, although abusing your penis will do more harm than good. There is some research that shows that abstaining from ejaculating for up to a week may cause testosterone spikes. You can spike test levels naturally without having to abstain by doing intense exercise.

I'd rather work out than abstain for a week :)

[kirby_99]

Are you saying that ejaculation helps maximize your daily routine?

What does ejaculation really do in relation to PE?

[Big Al]

I don't see how masturbating can have any effect on your gains. You may find it impossible to perform most PE exercises without getting an erection if you don't ejaculate for several days.

[beanbuddy5]

How close re we talking about?
Common 3 might be too long especially after watching the porns for jelq and girth:)

[Dazzlingdaz3]

Think about this...

Do you want your penis to ideally heal in an "engorged" state following girthwork?
YES!
Do you want your penis to ideally heal in an "extended" state following lengthwork?
YES!

Is your penis more likely to remain in an "engorged" state after ejaculating close to a workout?
NO!
Is your penis more likely to remain in an "extended" state after ejaculating close to a workout?
NO!

Can you still benefit from the workouts if you do ejaculate close to a workout?

YES, but you have a much greater chance of benefitting more if you do not ejaculate close to a workout.

Big Vine

Great post Bigvine - straight to the point!!

Cheers
Daz

[CrunchyB]

How close re we talking about?
Common 3 might be too long especially after watching the porns for jelq and girth:)

Self control, learn it and you'll be a better person.

[kirby_99]

I was referring to the ejaculation right after or during the exercise. I read the explanation somewhere but I forgot.

[Big Al]

If you ejaculate during your routine, you'll obviously have to cut your workout short. If you do that every time, I can see how that would affect your gains. There's nothing wrong with ejaculating after you're done with your workout. I wuold suggest that you do your stamina work prior to ejaculating- take advantage of that erection.

[timez]

really? i fort there was a ban of masterbating of about 2 hours after the exercies?

[longhoped]

This brings up an additional workout.... and a step towards control!! On a scale from 1-10 1 being not much and 10 being to far....Start out going to 7 and squeezing your pc as hard as possible untill the urge goes away...you build up a tolerance and control your ejaculation better than before. Check the 3 blast they have a great one there...I forget its 1 of the 2 ferrari blast or something else but search ferrari blast and you will see 3 workouts that are in one post its in there.

[flava88]

I am simply wondering if anyone knows the best exercises that would help me control my ejaculation during sex. Thanks to all who respond.

[hydroponicz69]

pc flexing works for a lot of people but too some it can have negative effects

[flava88]

I've noticed during sex I can feel myself controlling it more now, and I've only been using PE for about 3 weeks, but I will incorporate some good PC workouts. Thanks Hydro.
-Flava88

[biggerandbetter]

PC work only has negative effects if you have overworked the muscle, in that case you just need to take a week off until it fully rebuilds ;)

bigger

[biggerandbetter]

It's recommended not to ejaculate 3 hours before or after you PE, however most veterans/mods/admins seem to agree that it's not that important. The only real issue is that testosterone levels (supposedly) drop, but they get back to normal very soon anyway, so it doesn't matter.

That's my read on it anyway, hope it helps
bigger

[timez]

hmm so maybe do the exercies then masterbate isnt a bad idea then :D

[turtle]

Basically, it's one of those things you have to figure out. Some people have done that and had little or no gain then stopped the masturbation, and started gaining. Others have masturbated, whenever, and still managed to get good gains. It's basically a matter of luck and your personal body chemistry. My attitude is you can follow the +/- 3 hour rule and be on the safe side, or you can ignore it and see what happens, then adjust your strategy if need be.
turtle

[timez]

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[Big Al]

Please see the Complaints and refund requests sticky at the top of each forum for information on who to contact.

[wohoo19m]

learning your stages of arousal will help you master your ejaculation when accompanied with PC work.

[BigTymer]

On some yoga sites, search for kudalini and karma sutra, they have breathing techniques that you can incorporate with PC control during sex. The theory involved is saying that when you breathe this certain way, the blood rushes to your brain and somehow causes you to not pay attention to your dick about to explode. It temporarily decreases blood flow in dick. But simotaneously it gives you this sort of natural high and brings you to extacy. I was high when I read it, so it is recommended you re read for yourself.....LOL!!

[flava88]

I've heard about the breathing technique before but I've never checked it out befoe. If it works then that would be great.

[daddylongleg]

I never tried that before. does it work?

[BigTymer]

I never get around to try the breathing because my mind is focused on banging the shit out of my girls pussy. LOL. But if we were to be moving slow and passionate, I ususally breathe different and it does seem help me hold back.

[BigTymer]

I forgot to say this, but I also heard that being vocal during sex helps take your mind off of the actual pleasure. And talking dirty also stimulates the girls mentally. When me and my girl go at it, and it is good sex (always..) , I take my mind off of my dick but tell her that she has some good ass pussy. I tell her to put all of me in her and all types of dirty things. You can get away with it during sex, but if you try to talk like that any other time, she will get offended. But it helps me last and gives her stimulation at the same time....

[sagar1_isbig]

hey man it is cool you made me laugh I do the same thing but as you said if you say it when you are not in session then she does get offend or mad.

[spiike]

very easy. Look away and think of male ass hair with crusty junk. think of bo. think how bad bo smells. think about a porsche. then a grandma driving the porsche. Ejaculation control is about 90% mental imho.

[Dazzlingdaz3]

very easy. Look away and think of male ass hair with crusty junk. Ejaculation control is about 90% mental imho.


LMAO:p

That is a vision enuf to give an instant soft on, let alone control ejaculation LOL

Daz

[bBigsomeday]

the breathing techniques are called "tantra" i beleive. And i agree 100% w/ spiike its mostly mental. PC flexes have made a noticable difference for me though

[VITAL]

when i started PE, late january, i had no problems holding my ejaculation during exercise....this past week i've been ejaculating during my jelq exercises...i never had this problem before

my routine consists of :
warmup (towelwrap)
lightstretches 5mins
long schlong 10mins
jelq & hold (with pc flexes) 10mins
light stretches 5 mins
warmdown

i only did PE 3 times this past week, so i dont think i'm over doing...all 3 times i ended up ejaculating

any feedback is appreciated
thanks in advance

[Jareth]

Did you force yourself to ejaculate, or did it occur during jelqing?

[Project_Moss]

Maybe your doing your jelqs when you are too far erect, you only need to be in the 50-80 % range not a full on hardon.

[beanbuddy5]

Gentlemen,

While having sex, what would be the best possible way to control your ejaculation?

I mean flex PC and hold it tight till you loose your erection while your penis is still inserted?

Multiple flexs while you start feeling the climax coming close?

Remove the penis and allow to go limp while you indulge in 4 play?

Please advice on the best way method .

Thanks,
Bean.

[mafuie]

hey pro! try multiple flexes it works for me and check up the multi orgasmic under the search section in this forum good luck

[Big Al]

Do a search for "stop and starts". It's the best stamina/conditioning exercise there is :)

[da_shine99]

Gentlemen,

While having sex, what would be the best possible way to control your ejaculation?

I mean flex PC and hold it tight till you loose your erection while your penis is still inserted?

Multiple flexs while you start feeling the climax coming close?

Remove the penis and allow to go limp while you indulge in 4 play?

Please advice on the best way method .

Thanks,
Bean.

Hold it and just think about non-sexual stuff. This works. Like if you are having intercourse and when you feel you are about to release your load in your girlfriend's pussy then just hold with your PC muscles and think about something random.

[fresh]

While doing PE exercises, Is it better to have sex, masterbate and ejaculate or dont have sex, masterbate and ejaculate at all? i searched for this and couldnt find anything.

[02b8]

They all say to use the 3 hour rule, don't 3 hour before or after.

[fresh]

thanks for the advice

[longhoped]

2 OR 3 HRS Before and After....I like busting big loads, so I hold off untill sex! Sometimes its hard after a good session of PE, but I try to hold off. I think if you do this, or do it half as much, you see the rewards!